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    Quote Originally Posted by zelmo1234 View Post
    Actually the new law is going to require the 200 to stop the ass hat one from burning down a city.

    The law makes assaulting an officer a felony which is a big deal. Also will allow Citizen's to defend those officers as you can use force to stop a felony in progress.

    And YES you are right the people of FL likely don't want the Peaceful protestors to destroy their state
    Most of the provisions of this proposed law are non-starters from a legal perspective, and it really doesn't take much imagination to place pretty much any one of us in the position of having committed a felony.

    You're out bar hopping with a half a dozen friends or co-workers and one of you gets overserved and smashes up the bathroom or another patron. You had nothing to do with the destruction or violence, but you're part of the "assembly". Have a felony. You're part of a genuinely peaceful protest, but the police decide to clear the area by lobbing gas canisters into the crowd. (It happens.) You toss or kick the canister away and it lands near some police. Enjoy your six months in jail. And while making "assaulting a police officer" a felony may sound like a reasonable idea, I have seen individuals charged with "assaulting a police officer" for doing nothing more than instinctively trying to shrug off someone (who turned out to be a cop) who grabbed them from behind, or attempting to push away an officer who was kneeling over them with a knee in their groin.

    On the other hand, it might provide a reasonable defense against a charge of hit and run if the "mob" you're running from is composed of the family and neighbors of the kid you just drove over.

    And yes, such a law could be written so as to eliminate any or all of those eventualities...but it won't be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adelaide View Post
    Yeah... that's unconstitutional.

    If 200 people are gathered and peacefully protesting, and one person decides to be an $#@!, 200 people would be potentially charged. So... I guess freedom of assembly, free speech, and all that crap about due process or whatever doesn't apply anymore? Or does it just selectively apply...

    Also? Assault on a police officer is already illegal, making that portion about throwing objects completely irrelevant. Destruction of public property also already exists. Has this guy ever actually read the criminal code for his state? Seems not.

    It's nice DeSantis knows it is an election year. People are gullible enough to support this without understanding that none of it will stick for constitutional and fiscal reasons. But hey, it's Florida.
    It already "selectively" applies, if you're in a demonrat-run city/state: NYC, Seattle, Portland, MN, etc....

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    Often the threat works. Plus the temporary threat of arrest. By the time the legal challenge hits they have already ended their activities. They are unlikely to start up months later.
    Your liberal judges do it to us all the time knowing they will be overturned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Standing Wolf View Post
    Most of the provisions of this proposed law are non-starters from a legal perspective, and it really doesn't take much imagination to place pretty much any one of us in the position of having committed a felony.

    You're out bar hopping with a half a dozen friends or co-workers and one of you gets overserved and smashes up the bathroom or another patron. You had nothing to do with the destruction or violence, but you're part of the "assembly". Have a felony. You're part of a genuinely peaceful protest, but the police decide to clear the area by lobbing gas canisters into the crowd. (It happens.) You toss or kick the canister away and it lands near some police. Enjoy your six months in jail. And while making "assaulting a police officer" a felony may sound like a reasonable idea, I have seen individuals charged with "assaulting a police officer" for doing nothing more than instinctively trying to shrug off someone (who turned out to be a cop) who grabbed them from behind, or attempting to push away an officer who was kneeling over them with a knee in their groin.

    On the other hand, it might provide a reasonable defense against a charge of hit and run if the "mob" you're running from is composed of the family and neighbors of the kid you just drove over.

    And yes, such a law could be written so as to eliminate any or all of those eventualities...but it won't be.
    Yes I am sure those people that you know did nothing wrong. Just like there are no riots but peaceful protests only

    The left wing Ilk are getting what they deserve and that is justice. As for you bar bathroom fight, Not going to stick and I don't know an officer that would even attempt to try it. Now if you are an ass hat to the officer and don't want to cooperate or at least stay out of the way Well then you might get a ride to the station so they can figure it out.

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