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    So the question becomes, other than trying to post factual, historical information about Nazis, Fascists and the like for discussion, how--we can't tb--do you stop senseless, stupid, uninformed, hysterical, histrionic analogies?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransom View Post
    You're free to list the 'right's epithets' should you like. Jet57 just mentioned Hitler being labeled a socialist and thus used as an analogy by the right, my point still holds. However, most of this rhetoric, ripmeister, comes from the Left and it's hurled at Trump and Republicans. The terms racist, fascist, Nazi, Gestapo, these are terms used.....if we're going to be honest and objective....these are terms most often used by the Left.

    And I'm tellin you right now........such analogies are f'n stupid. People have never seen a Nazi. Nor Gestapo. Ever. Those using those terms have no f'n clue what they're talking about, you know it, I know it.
    I disagree. You don't have to have seen something to know what it is. That is why we have sciences like paleontology. I have never seen a T Rex, but I would be willing to bet if I saw one walking down the street, I would recognize it.

    History has given us a very vivid and thorough picture of who and what can and should be labeled "Nazi". The word may be overused, but doesn't mean there are not times when it is not only appropriate, but may be the most accurate and succinct way to describe a person or an ideal.
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    Does Neo-Nazi equate to Nazi?
    One can be sure that he who says he knows knows nothing

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    Quote Originally Posted by ripmeister View Post
    Does Neo-Nazi equate to Nazi?
    Consider Richard Spencer. Then answer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    So the question becomes, other than trying to post factual, historical information about Nazis, Fascists and the like for discussion, how--we can't tb--do you stop senseless, stupid, uninformed, hysterical, histrionic analogies?
    Ignoring them is the best answer I think. Just not allowing them to suck you into their BS; they're trolls. Winding people up and stringing them along is utter nonsense is what they do. The more inflammatory the better; they derive a sense of control from it. It makes them feel powerful: they have you on a string. As I said, I have 9 or 120 of them on ignore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cletus View Post
    I disagree. You don't have to have seen something to know what it is. That is why we have sciences like paleontology. I have never seen a T Rex, but I would be willing to bet if I saw one walking down the street, I would recognize it.

    History has given us a very vivid and thorough picture of who and what can and should be labeled "Nazi". The word may be overused, but doesn't mean there are not times when it is not only appropriate, but may be the most accurate and succinct way to describe a person or an ideal.
    What truly defines a nazi is the thinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahuyaman View Post
    The Alinsky rules are strong with this one.
    An obvious reference to 'Rules for Radicals'. I'm wondering whether you've ever read it, Tahu. Every political operative of whatever Party or affiliation has, I can assure you, and many use it or the principles and tactics it contains every day. I once saw a video of a Tea Party spokesperson in full Colonial costume, powdered wig and all, praising 'Rules' and calling it indispensable. It's cute that you believe anyone thinks you are sly and well read because you make that reference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ripmeister View Post
    Does Neo-Nazi equate to Nazi?
    Sure it does: how does he think? what theories does he rely on? What does he espouse? What does he reference? Cross referencing those is how we determine "nazism" or "fascism". Those two "philosophies", if you will can be labeled anything, but if you are really familiar with them you know what to listen for and what the printed word of spoken word is saying and from where it draws its inspiration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Standing Wolf View Post
    An obvious reference to 'Rules for Radicals'. I'm wondering whether you've ever read it, Tahu. Every political operative of whatever Party or affiliation has, I can assure you, and many use it or the principles and tactics it contains every day. I once saw a video of a Tea Party spokesperson in full Colonial costume, powdered wig and all, praising 'Rules' and calling it indispensable. It's cute that you believe anyone thinks you are sly and well read because you make that reference.
    Well said.

    That's the trouble isn't it? References put on people by those who know nothing about those references. It's an amazing thing to watch and unfortunately hit has a'hold of our executive branches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Sure it does: how does he think? what theories does he rely on? What does he espouse? What does he reference? Cross referencing those is how we determine "nazism" or "fascism". Those two "philosophies", if you will can be labeled anything, but if you are really familiar with them you know what to listen for and what the printed word of spoken word is saying and from where it draws its inspiration.

    I eagerly await the day you do any of that. Start with good old Richard Spencer.
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