Nazis, Fascists, Adolph, Gestapo, analogies

[jet57]

You will be waiting a long time.

Thanks you for your pithy contribution.

[jet57]

Most, as in the post above, use those terms as mere derogatory epithets. Some of us try to dig into the history of such ideas in order to understand them, which undertaking is constantly trolled by those who prefer shallow epithets.

Oh?

Only in your dreams.

All the Nazis are doing is giving America two more reasons not to vote DemoNazi.

[ripmeister]

You're free to list the 'right's epithets' should you like. Jet57 just mentioned Hitler being labeled a socialist and thus used as an analogy by the right, my point still holds. However, most of this rhetoric, ripmeister, comes from the Left and it's hurled at Trump and Republicans. The terms racist, fascist, Nazi, Gestapo, these are terms used.....if we're going to be honest and objective....these are terms most often used by the Left.

And I'm tellin you right now........such analogies are f'n stupid. People have never seen a Nazi. Nor Gestapo. Ever. Those using those terms have no f'n clue what they're talking about, you know it, I know it.

Agreed. Just admit that it cuts both ways, especially at this site.

[Ransom]

The right has routinely thrown these labels around at the left and the right is very consistent in spreading disinformation from discredited sources misinforming people on the history of the origins and politics of said labels. Nobody here has owned a slave or been a slave, but we certainly know how why there were slaves in this country and for some funny reason, nobody seems to dispute that.

Then call them out when you see it, jet! Agree with me that this forum needs to know its' limitations and history nor historical perspective are one of its' skills. In fact, as a group, it's f'n deplorable. No one has been a slave....or even known anyone who has owned a slave(cept for Kamala Harris' family). No one disputes that, my point is no one has ever seen a slave owner, or a Nazi...and wouldn't know one if one drove up their ass.....in an RV...and did a u-turn to get out.

And while we might know there were slaves in this country.........few....and a mean very few jet57....know how slavery came to an end in this country. Nor how many sacrificed indeed to end slavery. What of Irish-Americans in the United States, for example? I think the Irish and Irish Brigades who were mowed down at Antietam.....have they earned their Black Lives Matter merit badges...as an example. What more sacrifice would you ask of them.

You read of some of their exploits. Read the history of so many who gave their lives up to rid the planet of Nazis or Imperial Japan who wreaked their own holocaust on the Chinese.

No one disputes there was slavery, jet. Who disputes how it all came to an end. What it took to to bring slavery to an end. I'll assert many more whites than blacks took Black Lives Matter as a policy in the 1860's, do their ancestors get a pass. Does America even know it's ancestry?

Given many of their family's trees these days.....are f'n sticks?

[Ransom]

Agreed. Just admit that it cuts both ways, especially at this site.

Then call it out....both ways, Rip. You see someone making an idiotic Hitler analogy, point that out. See someone claiming today's police are Gestapo.....call em out. See someone like the Speaker of the House calling the President an enemy of the state, intervene. Don't just sit there.

[ripmeister]

Then call it out....both ways, Rip. You see someone making an idiotic Hitler analogy, point that out. See someone claiming today's police are Gestapo.....call em out. See someone like the Speaker of the House calling the President an enemy of the state, intervene. Don't just sit there.

Eh. I’ve never felt the need to call it out here. I just try and ignore it because as you say it’s silly analogizing. Besides, one would do nothing but call it out at this site.

[jet57]

Then call them out when you see it, jet! Agree with me that this forum needs to know its' limitations and history nor historical perspective are one of its' skills. In fact, as a group, it's f'n deplorable. No one has been a slave....or even known anyone who has owned a slave(cept for Kamala Harris' family). No one disputes that, my point is no one has ever seen a slave owner, or a Nazi...and wouldn't know one if one drove up their ass.....in an RV...and did a u-turn to get out.

And while we might know there were slaves in this country.........few....and a mean very few jet57....know how slavery came to an end in this country. Nor how many sacrificed indeed to end slavery. What of Irish-Americans in the United States, for example? I think the Irish and Irish Brigades who were mowed down at Antietam.....have they earned their Black Lives Matter merit badges...as an example. What more sacrifice would you ask of them.

You read of some of their exploits. Read the history of so many who gave their lives up to rid the planet of Nazis or Imperial Japan who wreaked their own holocaust on the Chinese.

No one disputes there was slavery, jet. Who disputes how it all came to an end. What it took to to bring slavery to an end. I'll assert many more whites than blacks took Black Lives Matter as a policy in the 1860's, do their ancestors get a pass. Does America even know it's ancestry?

Given many of their family's trees these days.....are f'n sticks?

Ransome, I thank you for making an earnest effort. What you are now on to is really more of historical knowledge, good or bad, and moving away from the subject you've introduced. All of things you mention are very very well documented and written about by experts and are undisputed. I think that what you're trying to get at here is the flaming effect that such labels have. I just posted a response to chris that includes probably thee worst flamer on this board in action once again.

The other issue about these labels DOES come from discussions of politics and the sources from where such "political opinion" derives. hat too is a source of contention that I commented on earlier. Only because said histories are - applied or - misapplied in order to give one's opinion an authoritative appeal. Left-wing nuts and right-wing nuts are cut from the very same combative cloth and I "physically ignore" nine or ten of them right now. THAT is a great solution to cutting them out of the discussions; if that's your goal.

[Perianne]

Agree fully. You do know, of course, that on this forum it's the fringe Right applying these insulting labels to the more liberal members 99% of the time, right?

I have NEVER called anyone a Nazi.

[Chris]

Most, as in the post above, use those terms as mere derogatory epithets. Some of us try to dig into the history of such ideas in order to understand them, which undertaking is constantly trolled by those who prefer shallow epithets.

Explain that. The factual history has been posted to the point wherein it's become a useless repetitive motion because -others[/i], particularly on the right, fail to recognize such histories from credible, reputable sources as factual, and just continue to falsely label opinions that they don't like. That is the core to disrespect and thus credible threads are marked with a tpf header. The right on the other hand will mark [i]their threads quite often as tpf in order to be able to TB opinions - or posters - that THEY don't like. And so the cycle just continues and nobody is satisfied and I appreciate a thread wherein someone is bringing this issue to us - again.

Self-explanatory. I don't know what you're babbling about. What, do you think you post credible, reputable sources? LOL.

[Chris]

Most, as in the post above, use those terms as mere derogatory epithets. Some of us try to dig into the history of such ideas in order to understand them, which undertaking is constantly trolled by those who prefer shallow epithets.

Oh?

Only in your dreams.

All the Nazis are doing is giving America two more reasons not to vote DemoNazi.

He reminds me of you.

So what's the count now, 3 lefties vs 1 righty?