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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosier8 View Post
    We are already reaching herd immunity which is estimated to be between 10%-20%.
    There is no herd immunity for Covid

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    I don't know whether this is herd immunity but we have discussed T-cell immunity before.

    It appears that once the COVID hits 20% of a group it stops. This was true in NYC, globally, and with captive audiences like cruise ships.

    This new information doesn't change that; it does show that those who are getting infected now get a milder case of the COVID.
    LOL. Covid doesn't just 'stop'.

    LOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barb012 View Post
    If we actively protect the people in nursing homes there will be no second wave of deaths.
    Why do people force their elderly family members into nursing homes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Private Pickle View Post
    We are nowhere near herd immunity. I predict a huge spike as schools reopen and temperatures drop. We are already seeing it...

    https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-pers...hool-reopening



    https://www.thegazette.com/subject/n...-toll-20200828
    You have to love the way Right Wing talking points make the rounds. "Herd Immunity" is almost as funny as 'BENGHAZI!!!!'.

    Those Blue states/cities that trump loves to talk about all took necessary steps to stop the spread of Covid. We're now seeing a slight resurgence in NYC, and the ultra religious group that started the spread returns home from the mountains.


    There is no herd immunity. There is proper protocol, and then there is trump's approach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Private Pickle View Post
    We are nowhere near herd immunity.
    The evidence indicates otherwise.

    I predict a huge spike as schools reopen and temperatures drop. We are already seeing it...

    https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-pers...hool-reopening



    https://www.thegazette.com/subject/n...-toll-20200828
    A huge spike in what? Asymptomatic or mild "cases", many of which are false positives?

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
    There is no herd immunity for Covid
    Sweden proves otherwise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
    LOL. Covid doesn't just 'stop'.
    LOL.


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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
    You have to love the way Right Wing talking points make the rounds. "Herd Immunity" is almost as funny as 'BENGHAZI!!!!'.

    Those Blue states/cities that trump loves to talk about all took necessary steps to stop the spread of Covid. We're now seeing a slight resurgence in NYC, and the ultra religious group that started the spread returns home from the mountains.


    There is no herd immunity. There is proper protocol, and then there is trump's approach.
    I cannot tell if you're lying or just incredibly ignorant.

    Martin Kulldorff (Professor of medicine, Harvard Medical School): Somehow, herd immunity has become a toxic phrase, which is strange, since it is a scientifically proven phenomenon just like gravity. Except for the occasional skier, people do not argue for or against gravity. Whatever strategy we use for COVID-19, we will eventually reach herd immunity, either with a vaccine, through natural infections, or a combination of the two.

    So, the question is not whether we get to herd immunity or not. The issue is how to get there with the minimum number of casualties. We do not know what percent immunity to the coronavirus is needed to achieve herd immunity, but we do know that if there are many older people in the group that is infected, there will be many deaths. On the other hand, if mostly young people are infected, there will be very few deaths.

    Katherine Yih (Epidemiologist, Harvard Medical School): ...herd immunity is something that simply happens with infectious diseases — when enough people have been infected (or vaccinated) and become immune, the pathogen is sufficiently blocked by the immune people that it can no longer spread in the population (although it doesn’t necessarily go extinct, due to newly susceptible people entering the population and importations of the pathogen from other human populations).

    Herd immunity can be achieved by natural infection, effective vaccination, or a combination of the two. And the process of getting to herd immunity can be managed in such a way that the more vulnerable people are protected from infection while others help the population reach herd immunity, thereby minimizing the number of deaths.

    Further, if many of us incorporate fairly sustainable measures like frequent handwashing into our daily lives, the proportion infected needed for herd immunity will be less than otherwise. Laissez-faire is certainly not the only way and certainly not the responsible way to get there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
    You have to love the way Right Wing talking points make the rounds. "Herd Immunity" is almost as funny as 'BENGHAZI!!!!'.

    Those Blue states/cities that trump loves to talk about all took necessary steps to stop the spread of Covid. We're now seeing a slight resurgence in NYC, and the ultra religious group that started the spread returns home from the mountains.


    There is no herd immunity. There is proper protocol, and then there is trump's approach.
    There is no vaccine.
    There will be no shut down.

    25% of a small number is not a large number.

    Herd immunity is how every virus is resolved. You can question if it is 20% or not

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Herd immunity may be moot. See the previous threads on T-Cell immunity and the 20% max for the COVID.
    I'll just focus on the fact that we are seeing a spike in Covid because viruses do better in cold. Everything else is noise.
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