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    Coronavirus weakening? Viral loads carried by patients on the decline, along with dea

    Coronavirus weakening? Viral loads carried by patients on the decline, along with death rate

    This is not on the "media's" agenda, so those who only watch the MSM think we are in a second wave with high numbers of daily deaths and we are all doomed, at least until Orange Man is out of office.

    While some health experts warn of a possible second wave in the coronavirus pandemic, a new study is pointing to signs that COVID-19’s severity may be fading. Researchers at Wayne State University say viral loads from patients are continuing to decrease as the pandemic progresses. This is also showing a connection to a lowering death rate.

    Dr. Said El Zein and his team analyzed viral loads of SARS-CoV-2, the virus causing COVID-19, coming from patient nasal swabs over two months. From April 4 to June 5, a downward trend in the amount of virus detected in patients at Detroit Medical Center was discovered.


    To estimate the viral loads coming from nasopharyngeal swabs, study authors use a cycle threshold (Ct) value that comes from the tests on these samples. A higher Ct means a sample has less SARS-CoV-2 in it. Their scale rates a high viral load as a Ct of 25 and under, intermediate loads as a Ct between 26-36, and low viral loads as a Ct over 37.


    Lower viral loads lead to better outcomes for COVID patients
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    We are already reaching herd immunity which is estimated to be between 10%-20%.
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    I don't know whether this is herd immunity but we have discussed T-cell immunity before.

    It appears that once the COVID hits 20% of a group it stops. This was true in NYC, globally, and with captive audiences like cruise ships.

    This new information doesn't change that; it does show that those who are getting infected now get a milder case of the COVID.
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    If we actively protect the people in nursing homes there will be no second wave of deaths.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    I don't know whether this is herd immunity but we have discussed T-cell immunity before.

    It appears that once the COVID hits 20% of a group it stops. This was true in NYC, globally, and with captive audiences like cruise ships.

    This new information doesn't change that; it does show that those who are getting infected now get a milder case of the COVID.
    T and B cells. The antibody mechanism is fascinating.
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    It will be interested when the CDC publishes the report for vital stats that provides how many people died in 2020 and what was their cause of death. The data is fudged now because so many people did die but they never had Covid but was still listed as the cause of death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barb012 View Post
    It will be interested when the CDC publishes the report for vital stats that provides how many people died in 2020 and what was their cause of death. The data is fudged now because so many people did die but they never had Covid but was still listed as the cause of death.
    Check this out:

    New CDC Estimates: Fatality Rate For COVID-19 Drops Again And May Surprise You

    What’s are the real chances of dying if you are infected with COVID-19? You’ll probably be surprised how low they are according to new numbers from the Center for Disease Control. We’ll state those numbers simply for those of you who aren’t crazy about math.


    The CDC’s new estimate, for the first time, is broken down by age groups. Here is what the CDC calls its “current best estimate” of chances of dying from the virus if you get infected:


    1 out of 34,000 for ages 0 to 19;
    1 out of 5,000 for ages 20 to 49;
    1 out of 200 for ages 50 to 69; and
    1 out of 20 for ages 70 and up.

    Here’s another way to look at the same numbers. If you get infected, your chances of surviving are as follows:


    Age Group Probability of Survival
    0-19: 99.997%
    20-49: 99.98%
    50-69: 99.5%
    70+: 94.6%

    The CDC’s numbers are actually published as what’s called the “Infection Fatality Ratio” or IFR. The relevant portion of their chart is reproduced below. We’ve just stated their numbers a different way and rounded a bit. IFR includes, as those who were “infected,” those who got the virus but never got sick or displayed symptoms.


    The CDC’s “best estimate” may be off and it offered other scenarios, also shown in the chart below. They are all very low, however, as you can see. For those age 20-49, for example, even under the worse case scenario, the IFR is only .0003. That means your chances of dying even if you got infected would be 1 out of 3,333.


    Estimates of COVID’s lethality have been dropping regularly. In March, when most of the nation went into lockdown, Dr. Anthony Fauci estimated the mortality rate at about 2% and the World Health Organization pegged it at about 3.4%. Both are far higher than the current CDC estimate.


    Those earlier numbers, which were far more frightening, got extensive press coverage. Very little media attention, however, has gone toward the new numbers.



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    We are nowhere near herd immunity. I predict a huge spike as schools reopen and temperatures drop. We are already seeing it...

    https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-pers...hool-reopening



    https://www.thegazette.com/subject/n...-toll-20200828
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    Herd immunity may be moot. See the previous threads on T-Cell immunity and the 20% max for the COVID.

    Quote Originally Posted by Private Pickle View Post
    We are nowhere near herd immunity. I predict a huge spike as schools reopen and temperatures drop. We are already seeing it...

    https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-pers...hool-reopening



    https://www.thegazette.com/subject/n...-toll-20200828
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Coronavirus weakening? Viral loads carried by patients on the decline, along with death rate

    This is not on the "media's" agenda, so those who only watch the MSM think we are in a second wave with high numbers of daily deaths and we are all doomed, at least until Orange Man is out of office.



    Read the rest of the article at the link.
    Estimated herd immunity is between 10% and 20% and estimated infection is 61 million putting the US at about 19%.
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