User Tag List

+ Reply to Thread
Page 1 of 5 12345 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 41

Thread: For lack of something better

  1. #1
    Original Ranter
    Points: 242,201, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 14.0%
    Achievements:
    SocialRecommendation Second ClassOverdrive50000 Experience PointsVeteran
    Mister D's Avatar Senior Member
    Karma
    401504
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Posts
    96,532
    Points
    242,201
    Level
    100
    Thanks Given
    19,575
    Thanked 38,448x in 26,948 Posts
    Mentioned
    959 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)

    For lack of something better

    Interesting excerpt from an interview with Alain de Benoist. He has in the recent past referred to Donald Trump as a "buffoon". Greg Johnson at Counter Currents translated this from French better than Google and this is where I originally saw the interview so I linked to Counter Currents.

    ---

    The US presidential election is fast approaching. Personally, do you want Donald Trump to be re-elected? Would a second term of this president please you, if only to see the faces of his opponents, American and European?
    Alain de Benoist: I would like his re-election, but by default, for lack of something better. As you know, this character doesn’t thrill me that much. I am not so much bothered by what he is usually reproached for (his style, his brutality, his vulgarity), because, on the contrary, I think that’s what many Americans like about him, which we refuse to understand on this side of the Atlantic. Rather, it is that his project seems nebulous to me, his foreign policy is in my opinion execrable, and the man is not suitable to lead what still remains (at least temporarily) the world’s leading power. There are basically only three real heads of state in today’s world: Vladimir Putin, heir to the former Russian Empire; Xi Jinping, heir to the former Chinese Empire; and Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, who seeks to recreate the old Ottoman Empire. Donald Trump may have qualities, but he does not have the stature of a statesman.
    Why support him, then? Because Joe Biden is a hundred times worse. Not because of his bland and boring personality, but because of everything he represents: the Establishment, the Deep State, submission to the dominant ideology, immigrationism, progressivism, deterritorialized capitalism, the politically correct, Black Lives Matter, the mainstream media, in short, this abominable New Class, which the witch Hillary Clinton represented four years ago. To block Joe Biden and his running mate Kamala Harris (who would have a good chance of succeeding him during his four years), I would even vote for Mickey Mouse!
    But does Trump still have a chance to win?
    Alain de Benoist: I believe so. I have often said we should distinguish between Donald Trump the man and the Trumpist phenomenon, which is above all a populist reflex to challenge everything that the Establishment stands for. Trump is questionable, but Trumpism is another matter. All things considered, we could compare it to what we call here “peripheral France.” Americans are extremely different from Europeans (much more than the latter believe), but the basic pattern is the same: the popular classes vs. the globalized elites, the settled vs. the mobile, the people vs. the citizens of the world, the bottom vs. the top.
    In the United States today, this opposition has crystallized into two blocs that no longer even speak to each other. On both sides, they no longer want to just win the elections, but to destroy their opponents. Do you want a revealing, even staggering number? 15% of Republicans and 20% of Democrats believe America would be better off if their rivals “died.” Unprecedented. Politics has changed. Politicians in the United States no longer run for office touting their skills, but as women, as gays, as African Americans, as Hispanics, etc. Identity politics, fueled by political correctness, has taken over everything. Which means that political issues are now subordinated to cultural and anthropological issues.
    This is why, contrary to what happened in the past (when the programs of the Republicans and the Democrats could seem more or less indistinguishable, especially to us), all the polls show that this presidential election is seen by Americans as exceptionally important (87% speak of an irreversible tipping point), and in particular there are very few undecided among them. This is the reason why the two candidates do not seek so much to poach supporters of their opponents as to consolidate their respective camps. And this is also why the first Trump-Biden debate ended in an exchange of insults, of (verbal) violence still unthinkable over here. Whether it is Trumpism or the New Class that wins, different worldviews are at stake.
    What lessons can we draw from these four years of Trumpism? Would his re-election be good news for the United States and, more importantly, for France and for Europe?
    Alain de Benoist: The lessons are difficult to assess. Trump is arguably better than his opponents say, but worse than his supporters say. As Trump spent a considerable amount of time escaping the traps his enemies set for him, and did so only by shuttling between “advisers” from opposing camps, it is, furthermore, difficult to know which initiatives are truly his.
    Regarding his foreign policy — the only thing that should interest us — the record is frankly bad. Trump obviously dislikes Europe, which distinguishes him from his predecessors only in that he does not hide it. At first he tried to get closer to Russia in the hope of turning her away from a Chinese alliance, but he waivered because he has been repeatedly accused of being “in the service of the Russians.” His main enemy is China. He favors the Washington-Riyadh-Tel Aviv axis, which satisfies neoconservatives as well as evangelicals, but is completely contrary to European interests. But with Joe Biden, that would also be even worse. Remember what François Mitterrand confided to Georges-Marc Benamou: “They are tough, the Americans; they are voracious; they want unchallenged power over the world. France does not know it, but we are at war with America. Yes, a permanent war, a vital war, an economic war, a war apparently without death and yet a war to the death.”

    https://counter-currents.com/2020/10...-better/print/
    Whoever criticizes capitalism, while approving immigration, whose working class is its first victim, had better shut up. Whoever criticizes immigration, while remaining silent about capitalism, should do the same.


    ~Alain de Benoist


  2. The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to Mister D For This Useful Post:

    Cotton1 (10-17-2020),FindersKeepers (Yesterday),HawkTheSlayer (10-17-2020),TheOneOnly2 (10-17-2020)

  3. #2
    Points: 28,913, Level: 41
    Level completed: 48%, Points required for next Level: 737
    Overall activity: 99.8%
    Achievements:
    1 year registered25000 Experience Points
    carolina73's Avatar Senior Member
    Karma
    8326
    Join Date
    Sep 2019
    Posts
    11,324
    Points
    28,913
    Level
    41
    Thanks Given
    7,897
    Thanked 8,318x in 5,535 Posts
    Mentioned
    49 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Vulgarity? Where did they grow up? In a convent?

    Yes Trump does have a problem biting his tongue when attacked. But, his aggressive nature is what made him a winner and why he achieved so much for the USA, over the last 4 years.

  4. The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to carolina73 For This Useful Post:

    Abby08 (10-17-2020),HawkTheSlayer (10-17-2020),MisterVeritis (10-17-2020),RMNIXON (10-17-2020)

  5. #3
    Original Ranter
    Points: 610,226, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 100.0%
    Achievements:
    SocialCreated Album picturesOverdrive50000 Experience PointsVeteran
    Awards:
    Posting Award
    Peter1469's Avatar Advisor
    Karma
    445861
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    NOVA
    Posts
    181,046
    Points
    610,226
    Level
    100
    Thanks Given
    113,038
    Thanked 96,845x in 64,048 Posts
    Mentioned
    2327 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    He seems to support American Neocons. I don't.
    ΜOΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

    Please visit my blog http://thepoliticalforums.com/blogs/peter/
    (If a post link does not work, see the archives- it should work there.)

  6. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Peter1469 For This Useful Post:

    carolina73 (10-17-2020),Lummy (10-17-2020)

  7. #4
    Original Ranter
    Points: 242,201, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 14.0%
    Achievements:
    SocialRecommendation Second ClassOverdrive50000 Experience PointsVeteran
    Mister D's Avatar Senior Member
    Karma
    401504
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Posts
    96,532
    Points
    242,201
    Level
    100
    Thanks Given
    19,575
    Thanked 38,448x in 26,948 Posts
    Mentioned
    959 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by carolina73 View Post
    Vulgarity? Where did they grow up? In a convent?

    Yes Trump does have a problem biting his tongue when attacked. But, his aggressive nature is what made him a winner and why he achieved so much for the USA, over the last 4 years.
    Vulgarity doesn't necessarily mean cussing or bad language.

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/vulgar

    That Donald Trump is vulgar isn't really worth arguing about because he so obviously is. It's also what attracts many Americans to him.
    Whoever criticizes capitalism, while approving immigration, whose working class is its first victim, had better shut up. Whoever criticizes immigration, while remaining silent about capitalism, should do the same.


    ~Alain de Benoist


  8. The Following User Says Thank You to Mister D For This Useful Post:

    Peter1469 (10-17-2020)

  9. #5
    Original Ranter
    Points: 610,226, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 100.0%
    Achievements:
    SocialCreated Album picturesOverdrive50000 Experience PointsVeteran
    Awards:
    Posting Award
    Peter1469's Avatar Advisor
    Karma
    445861
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    NOVA
    Posts
    181,046
    Points
    610,226
    Level
    100
    Thanks Given
    113,038
    Thanked 96,845x in 64,048 Posts
    Mentioned
    2327 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    Vulgarity doesn't necessarily mean cussing.

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/vulgar

    That Donald Trump is vulgar isn't really worth arguing about because he so obviously is. It's also what attracts many Americans to him.
    It is overlooked by people who are fed up with politicians with forked tongues.

    Deeds, not words.
    ΜOΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

    Please visit my blog http://thepoliticalforums.com/blogs/peter/
    (If a post link does not work, see the archives- it should work there.)

  10. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Peter1469 For This Useful Post:

    Abby08 (10-17-2020),MMC (Yesterday)

  11. #6
    Points: 27,657, Level: 40
    Level completed: 55%, Points required for next Level: 593
    Overall activity: 24.0%
    Achievements:
    Social25000 Experience PointsVeteran
    ripmeister's Avatar Senior Member
    Karma
    28491
    Join Date
    Aug 2016
    Location
    Columbus, Ohio
    Posts
    10,269
    Points
    27,657
    Level
    40
    Thanks Given
    802
    Thanked 2,498x in 2,015 Posts
    Mentioned
    60 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    So he would appear to be saying it’s a choice of the lesser of two evils.
    One can be sure that he who says he knows knows nothing

  12. #7
    Original Ranter
    Points: 242,201, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 14.0%
    Achievements:
    SocialRecommendation Second ClassOverdrive50000 Experience PointsVeteran
    Mister D's Avatar Senior Member
    Karma
    401504
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Posts
    96,532
    Points
    242,201
    Level
    100
    Thanks Given
    19,575
    Thanked 38,448x in 26,948 Posts
    Mentioned
    959 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    It is overlooked by people who are fed up with politicians with forked tongues.

    Deeds, not words.
    Exactly. That's what struck me about the interview. There was a certain cringe factor about Trump that some conservative/traditionalist Europeans couldn't get over. It appears Benoist has.
    Whoever criticizes capitalism, while approving immigration, whose working class is its first victim, had better shut up. Whoever criticizes immigration, while remaining silent about capitalism, should do the same.


    ~Alain de Benoist


  13. The Following User Says Thank You to Mister D For This Useful Post:

    Peter1469 (10-17-2020)

  14. #8
    Original Ranter
    Points: 610,226, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 100.0%
    Achievements:
    SocialCreated Album picturesOverdrive50000 Experience PointsVeteran
    Awards:
    Posting Award
    Peter1469's Avatar Advisor
    Karma
    445861
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    NOVA
    Posts
    181,046
    Points
    610,226
    Level
    100
    Thanks Given
    113,038
    Thanked 96,845x in 64,048 Posts
    Mentioned
    2327 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    Exactly. That's what struck me about the interview. There was a certain cringe factor about Trump that some conservative/traditionalist Europeans couldn't get over. It appears Benoist has.
    And a lot of Americans went through that too.

    I didn't vote for Trump in 2016 because of the ick factor. And he was not a conservative. The only thing I credited him for was his foreign policy speech in April 2016. That was perfectly brilliant. It is my foreign policy.

    ΜOΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

    Please visit my blog http://thepoliticalforums.com/blogs/peter/
    (If a post link does not work, see the archives- it should work there.)

  15. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Peter1469 For This Useful Post:

    Mister D (10-17-2020),MMC (Yesterday)

  16. #9
    Points: 27,657, Level: 40
    Level completed: 55%, Points required for next Level: 593
    Overall activity: 24.0%
    Achievements:
    Social25000 Experience PointsVeteran
    ripmeister's Avatar Senior Member
    Karma
    28491
    Join Date
    Aug 2016
    Location
    Columbus, Ohio
    Posts
    10,269
    Points
    27,657
    Level
    40
    Thanks Given
    802
    Thanked 2,498x in 2,015 Posts
    Mentioned
    60 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    Exactly. That's what struck me about the interview. There was a certain cringe factor about Trump that some conservative/traditionalist Europeans couldn't get over. It appears Benoist has.
    Certainly.
    One can be sure that he who says he knows knows nothing

  17. #10
    Original Ranter
    Points: 242,201, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 14.0%
    Achievements:
    SocialRecommendation Second ClassOverdrive50000 Experience PointsVeteran
    Mister D's Avatar Senior Member
    Karma
    401504
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Posts
    96,532
    Points
    242,201
    Level
    100
    Thanks Given
    19,575
    Thanked 38,448x in 26,948 Posts
    Mentioned
    959 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by ripmeister View Post
    So he would appear to be saying it’s a choice of the lesser of two evils.
    He's a French cirtizen. He's not voting in this election. IOW, you would appear to make a point that really can't be made.
    Whoever criticizes capitalism, while approving immigration, whose working class is its first victim, had better shut up. Whoever criticizes immigration, while remaining silent about capitalism, should do the same.


    ~Alain de Benoist


+ Reply to Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts