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    Hitler and Rousseau

    In Mein Kampf: Volume Two - The National Socialist Movement: Chapter V: Philosophy and Organization, Hitler wrote:

    Any new philosophy of life will bring its ideas to victory only if the most courageous and active elements of its epoch and its people are enrolled under its standards and grouped firmly together in a powerful fighting organization. To achieve this purpose it is absolutely necessary to select from the general system of doctrine a certain number of ideas which will appeal to such individuals and which, once they are expressed in a precise and clear-cut form, will serve as articles of faith for a new association of men. While the programme of the ordinary political party is nothing but the recipe for cooking up favourable results out of the next general elections, the programme of a philosophy represents a declaration of war against an existing order of things, against present conditions, in short, against the established view of life in general.
    In short, tear down the existing social order and replace it with the totalitarian state.

    This reminds me of Rousseau. Edmund Burke, cited in Burke’s Defense of Natural Rights and the Limits of Political Power, "excoriated the radical French revolutionary Jacobins (along with their English followers) who would soon launch a campaign of mass murder carried out in the name of The Rights of Man. Burke recognized the grounding of such hypocritical violence in the abstract theorizing of the Jacobins’ patron saint, Jean-Jacques Rousseau, whose fantasy of an idyllic state of nature placed the blame for all human miseries on the imperfections of social and political institutions impinging on absolute rights—rights that could be made real only by an overawing, total state."

    In short, tear down the existing social order and replace it with the totalitarian state.

    Both Hitler and Rousseau represent the left and its agenda.
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    The early NSDAP National Socialist German Workers Party (look it up fools) had very similar platform ideas as modern American lefties. Guaranteed Jobs (no welfare then), Housing, ect....

    They had yet to get around to a "Right" to Healthcare paid by others, but they did have the notion that your National Duty to the German State was to be healthy. Not unlike what lefty Intellectual Icon George Bernard Shaw proclaimed when he said you must prove your worth to the State or be eliminated. Again look it up!

    These are the same monsters through all of human history no matter the political labels.

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    In all fairness, tearing down the existing social order was also the goal of the capitalist movement in England where it was first allowed to mature because of a lack of strong institutional barriers. I would argue it actually began among decadent Catholics in Italy at least a century earlier.
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    Most of modernity suffers from it.
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    But the left tends to want to revolutionize society whereas the right tends to react against it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    But the left tends to want to revolutionize society whereas the right tends to react against it.
    I think the original revolution in values came long before there was such a thing as the left but I would agree that there is some difference in intent. The left has grand visions of a new society and of new (planned) norms whereas the merchants wanted a world where their avarice had free reign.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    I think the original revolution in values came long before there was such a thing as the left but I would agree that there is some difference in intent. The left has grand visions of a new society and of new (planned) norms whereas the merchants wanted a world where their avarice had free reign.

    The roots go much further back, individualism especially comes from Christianity. But I always go back to Hayek's distinction between cosmopolitan tradition, starting with Rousseau, the Scottish/British tradition, of Locke, Burke and others. The one is revolutionary and seeks to upend tradition, the other rectionary and building on tradition. Both put the market above politics, both sought a politics that served the market. The market should serve the community.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    The roots go much further back, individualism especially comes from Christianity. But I always go back to Hayek's distinction between cosmopolitan tradition, starting with Rousseau, the Scottish/British tradition, of Locke, Burke and others. The one is revolutionary and seeks to upend tradition, the other rectionary and building on tradition. Both put the market above politics, both sought a politics that served the market. The market should serve the community.
    Philosophically no doubt but Christendom effectively channelled economic activity in socially constructive ways. I'm not saying that was always economically efficient but it did it preserve custom and ways of living so that everyone was included and everyone knew what they could expect.

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    It also forbid usury and compound interest

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    Philosophically no doubt but Christendom effectively channelled economic activity in socially constructive ways. I'm not saying that was always economically efficient but it did it preserve custom and ways of living so that everyone was included and everyone knew what they could expect.
    Right, Christianity only provided the seeds of individualism, as a relationship between the individual and God, not the secular individualism that replaced that with the State.
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