The Top 20 Lies About Trump's Response to the COVID-19 Pandemic

[Cotton1]

Your mockery reveals your ignorance. All you have left is a nervous laugh.

Oh please. Make it stop. I can't take such verbal abuse, doodoo head!

[RefutingInfidels]

Actually I take it from other capitalists. They have more than you do, grasshopper

They only have what they take, but society, the working class is waking up and will stop allowing them and people like you from exploiting and abusing the labor of others. The more advanced production technology gets, the more power consumers have to produce whatever they need and want. The present dependence on private for profit enterprises for producing goods and services, will be overcome with advanced technology and more democracy. Are you a champion of freedom? Because if you claim to be a lover of liberty and freedom, why do you defend a system that enslaves people to a dictatorial, authoritarian workplace, 8 to 12 hours daily? We can do much better than capitalism, and that's called socialism. It's coming, whether you like it or not. The transition is either going to be peaceful or violent (choose), but it will occur in the not to distant future. I give it at the very most another 25 years, before we're living in a socialist economy and nation, where the public good is in command, rather than private profits.

[Cotton1]

They only have what they take, but society, the working class is waking up and will stop allowing them and people like you from exploiting and abusing the labor of others. The more advanced production technology gets, the more power consumers have to produce whatever they need and want. The present dependence on private for profit enterprises for producing goods and services, will be overcome with advanced technology and more democracy. Are you a champion of freedom? Because if you claim to be a lover of liberty and freedom, why do you defend a system that enslaves people to a dictatorial, authoritarian workplace, 8 to 12 hours daily? We can do much better than capitalism, and that's called socialism. It's coming, whether you like it or not. The transition is either going to be peaceful or violent (choose), but it will occur in the not to distant future. I give it at the very most another 25 years, before we're living in a socialist economy and nation, where the public good is in command, rather than private profits.

Do you actually believe that BS ?

Please tell me you're a sock. Please.

[RefutingInfidels]

Do you actually believe that BS ?

Please tell me you're a sock. Please.

Your flippant dismissal of everything I'm saying, by calling it "BS" doesn't make it BS. Go ahead and defend your primitive, exploitative capitalist system, by presenting some arguments. Just coming here and spewing your cheap rhetoric about socialist being "lazy" and wanting "handouts", when you're claiming to be a member of a class that leeches off other people's hard labor, is quite pathetic. Unlike you, I don't laugh when one of my opponents says something stupid or propagates BS, I confront it. So rather than waving your hand and pretending everything I said is wrong, why don't you actually present an argument in defense of your position?

[Cotton1]

So rather than waving your hand and pretending everything I said is wrong, why don't you actually present an argument in defense of your position?

Because I'm not the one being exploited

[Chris]

Capitalism is a failure because it needs socialism to survive, every few years when the business cycle goes bust and corporations run to the government to get their government handouts. Socialism works, that's why the US government under the influence of capitalists (the rich), do everything they can to destroy socialism, through privatization of public resources and programs, they push for hostile foreign policies (i.e. sanctions, embargoes, war), towards countries that resist the privatization of their national infrastructure or identify themselves as Marxist. In spite of the sanctions and warmongering, socialist countries still survive, and whenever countries that identify as having a capitalist run economy, adopt socialist principles and programs, they do much better than nations that privatize every sector of their economy and strip their citizens of their social benefits and programs.

If it wasn't for American socialists, you would now be working 12, 16 hours daily for peanuts. It's the socialists of the 1800s, the early 20th century, that fought for worker rights, the right of women to vote (including the right of men to vote who don't own real estate or pay property taxes). If it wasn't for socialists in this country, there would be no 8-hour workdays or 40-hour workweeks, no overtime pay, no minimum wage, no paid vacations, no pensions, no right to unionize, no worker comp, no unemployment checks, no social security, no Medicare or Medicaid. etc. It's the American socialists and communists of the early 20th century, who allowed there to be a "new deal" :












You right-wing republicans don't have a clue, of how socialists have benefited you. Many of you on this forum are elderly folks, now benefiting from social security, medicare, you collect pensions. It's the socialists who pushed and fought for all of those social programs you are now benefiting from. It's mind-blowing, absolutely ridiculous, how we have senior citizens on this forum right now, posting a bunch of vitriolic rhetoric and claptrap against socialism, when it is socialism that allows them to have healthcare, get a monthly income, and not be abandoned by a capitalist owned and run society (that only cares about the "bottom line"/$$$$$$$$$). Socialists fight for the rights of workers, children, women, the elderly, and you're here talking poopoo about socialism. It's amazing.

Capitalism is alive and well.

The relationship is the opposite, Robert Reich: The Answer Isn’t Socialism; It’s Capitalism that Better Spreads the Benefits of the Productivity Revolution.

Capitalism is creative/destructive and would do better without bailouts. Let the busts weed out the losers.

[Chris]

Social programs are socialist programs, advocated, promoted, pushed through congress, thanks to socialists or "social democrats", people who recognize profits shouldn't be in command of our economy or society, but rather the public good. This silly idea that socialism, doesn't allow markets to exist or private for profit enterprises stems from ignorance of Marxism. Socialism is the process to a stateless society without economic classes or the need for money = communism. Communism can't exist, according to Marx, without a very high level of production technology, allowing consumers to produce everything they need and want. That won't occur without very advanced production technology. Socialism is a gradual process that can take centuries, before we reach communism. In that process, markets and for profit enterprises can exist, that's why there are privately owned corporations in China, because Marxist theory allows that, within socialism. You need to stop getting your information about socialism from Sean Hannity and Fox News and actually pick up a book, like The Communist Manifesto or Capital, and read it. Read.

Social programs are not socialism.

Your Richard Wolff--you should listen to him--explains socialism as merely an extension of capitalism where the workers take ownership of the means of production. Let us know when that happens.

Socialism will never get a foothold in American, saw its heyday around 1919 with Eugene Debs. Since then the purists like you have flailed about while the practical socialists have been given those social programs you mistakenly call socialist. See Daniel Bell, Marxian socialism in the United States.

Communism will never happen because the rich and powerful elites who run socialism, the dictatorship of the proletariat, never give up power.

[Chris]

Your flippant dismissal of everything I'm saying, by calling it "BS" doesn't make it BS. Go ahead and defend your primitive, exploitative capitalist system, by presenting some arguments. Just coming here and spewing your cheap rhetoric about socialist being "lazy" and wanting "handouts", when you're claiming to be a member of a class that leeches off other people's hard labor, is quite pathetic. Unlike you, I don't laugh when one of my opponents says something stupid or propagates BS, I confront it. So rather than waving your hand and pretending everything I said is wrong, why don't you actually present an argument in defense of your position?

What you say Cotton is doing is really all you're doing. You make claims and defend them with mockery is all.

[Peter1469]

That depends, sometimes welfare is good. What makes welfare good or bad? Context. What type of "welfare" are you referring to? Providing assistance to the poor and working-class families in the middle of a nationwide pandemic? That's not bad welfare, that's good welfare.

It isn't a good investment. Welfare has a return on investment of 0.67:1.

The Apollo Program had an ROI of 26:1.

[RefutingInfidels]

Because I'm not the one being exploited

Exactly, because you're not the one being exploited and abused, but that's going to change. You'll see.