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    Quote Originally Posted by skepticalmike View Post
    I would like to think that Donald Trump is an outlier and that we will never have a repeat of anyone as dishonest, corrupt, and vindictive as him again.


    Returning to the Guardian article, "If Biden governs as an establishment Democrat, it won’t be long before the US elects another, far more effective Donald Trump".

    The changing demographics seem to favor the Democratic Party. Younger voters tend to be more liberal than older voters the country is becoming more racially mixed. I also think that

    the wealth gap between the rich and poor and the rising national debt favors some left-wing policies like higher taxes on the wealthy. The article mentions the loss of manufacturing jobs

    but most of those jobs will not come back with any policies - they are being lost to robotics and cheap overseas labor. I don't believe that the American people will switch to another

    "more effective Donald Trump" if blue collar workers and rural America continues to struggle. There just aren't enough of those disgruntled people to win a Presidential election.

    The Republican Party will need to abandon the politics of exclusion and adapt to the modern world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skepticalmike View Post
    I would like to think that Donald Trump is an outlier and that we will never have a repeat of anyone as dishonest, corrupt, and vindictive as him again.


    Returning to the Guardian article, "If Biden governs as an establishment Democrat, it won’t be long before the US elects another, far more effective Donald Trump".

    The changing demographics seem to favor the Democratic Party. Younger voters tend to be more liberal than older voters the country is becoming more racially mixed. I also think that

    the wealth gap between the rich and poor and the rising national debt favors some left-wing policies like higher taxes on the wealthy. The article mentions the loss of manufacturing jobs

    but most of those jobs will not come back with any policies - they are being lost to robotics and cheap overseas labor. I don't believe that the American people will switch to another

    "more effective Donald Trump" if blue collar workers and rural America continues to struggle. There just aren't enough of those disgruntled people to win a Presidential election.

    The Republican Party will need to abandon the politics of exclusion and adapt to the modern world.

    Mike, you ignore two important points. The working man has moved more to the Republican side, and part of that is rejection of Democratic identitarian politics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Mike, you ignore two important points. The working man has moved more to the Republican side, and part of that is rejection of Democratic identitarian politics.
    Over 70 million Americans voted for Donald Trump. They just can't accept what this entails for the future. Nor can they accept that is makes utter nonsense of their goofy moralizing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skepticalmike View Post
    I would like to think that Donald Trump is an outlier and that we will never have a repeat of anyone as dishonest, corrupt, and vindictive as him again.


    Returning to the Guardian article, "If Biden governs as an establishment Democrat, it won’t be long before the US elects another, far more effective Donald Trump".

    The changing demographics seem to favor the Democratic Party. Younger voters tend to be more liberal than older voters the country is becoming more racially mixed. I also think that

    the wealth gap between the rich and poor and the rising national debt favors some left-wing policies like higher taxes on the wealthy. The article mentions the loss of manufacturing jobs

    but most of those jobs will not come back with any policies - they are being lost to robotics and cheap overseas labor. I don't believe that the American people will switch to another

    "more effective Donald Trump" if blue collar workers and rural America continues to struggle. There just aren't enough of those disgruntled people to win a Presidential election.

    The Republican Party will need to abandon the politics of exclusion and adapt to the modern world.
    You are living in that bubble of misinformation. You judge on personality, not on actions. We need a President that cares about the working class the democrats have abandoned. We have had one for the last 4 years.
    When Donald Trump said to protest “peacefully”, he meant violence.

    When he told protesters to “go home”, he meant stay for an insurrection.

    And when he told Brad Raffensperger to implement “whatever the correct legal remedy is”, he meant fraud.

    War is peace.

    Freedom is slavery.

    Ignorance is strength.

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    Biden's problem is that he has been the swamp for 47 years and the only two things he hasn't flip flopped on are more taxation and gun control. Other than that he is just a vessel for the far left taking over the democratic party and that takeover is targeted by the new left going after their own incumbents. The democratic party is quickly becoming a party of purist ideology that cannot accept any other ideology so there is little to agree upon for a huge swath of America.
    When Donald Trump said to protest “peacefully”, he meant violence.

    When he told protesters to “go home”, he meant stay for an insurrection.

    And when he told Brad Raffensperger to implement “whatever the correct legal remedy is”, he meant fraud.

    War is peace.

    Freedom is slavery.

    Ignorance is strength.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    Over 70 million Americans voted for Donald Trump. They just can't accept what this entails for the future. Nor can they accept that is makes utter nonsense of their goofy moralizing.
    They're going to have to face up to facts and make a choice and stop denying it. It's really the same with Republicans, choose the old neocon/free market GOP or the new.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosier8 View Post
    Biden's problem is that he has been the swamp for 47 years and the only two things he hasn't flip flopped on are more taxation and gun control. Other than that he is just a vessel for the far left taking over the democratic party and that takeover is targeted by the new left going after their own incumbents. The democratic party is quickly becoming a party of purist ideology that cannot accept any other ideology so there is little to agree upon for a huge swath of America.
    Agreed, gun control and tax is not going to go over well for many Democrats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DenverBrian View Post
    If trade was established, maybe it would work, but it would be odd, yes? Islands of Blue America surrounded by great land swaths of Red America.

    From a purely state secession situation, I see two realistic secession possibilities: California - which has almost all the resources it needs, and could conceivably join up with coastal Oregon and coastal Washington to create a nation of its own; and Texas, which is unique among the states in that it has its own independent electrical grid, and again has almost all the resources it needs to function on its own (and of course it did for eleven years).

    I'm currently reading Break It Up by Richard Kreitner, which is a fascinating dive into the near-continuous crises of disunion and secession efforts throughout our history.
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    Unworkable. The country is not neatly divided. 42 percent of New Yorkers, for example, voted for Trump.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    The breakdown for NJ was remarkably similar.

    Yea, breaking up urban/rural is just not tenable.

    And while the country is deeply divided it is also narrowly divided. TX almost went blue because so many CAs are moving here. Time for new immigration laws!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    Unworkable. The country is not neatly divided. 42 percent of New Yorkers, for example, voted for Trump.
    You can saw off the USA at the Hudson River and leave most of the population of that area content. New York is a red or purple state outside of NYC.

    A west coast state is more difficult to structure because they are dominated by a few cities that do not represent the geography.
    Northern and Western CA, 80% of geographic Oregon and 70% of geographic WA would most likely want nothing to do with being part of a New China.

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