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Thread: Judge Blocks Certification Of Pennsylvania Election Results

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLiquidGuy View Post
    Its only interesting because it is unbelievably transparent.

    We know he has no viable or uncommon basis for his claims. We know he knows he has none. He knows the left knows he knows.

    Yet he continues to press on. Why?

    Money is one reason. He continues to solicit donations that he effectively keeps himself.

    The other reason, the main one, is ultimately to salvage his ego.

    He wants to instill a mythology into the minds of his followers: A tale of how he is somehow not actually a loser. He won. The election was stolen. Trump is a winner. In order preserve his ego, he is willing to topple the main pillar of democracy: Faith in elections. His supporters are willing to accept "the theft" as canon even in the absence of adjudicated, verified, proof. The mere suggestion that their enemy might have, could have, would have engaged in fraud, despite courts repeatedly laughing all so-called "evidence" out of court is enough to make them swell with confidence that Trumps 6.3 million vote margin loss, was actually a big win. People are sheep. easily manipulated. easily made fools of. This is the proof. Wishful thinking is the most powerful force on the planet, when you are DT.
    I honestly think he's pushing for civil unrest. I don't think it's just about his ego. What he says and what he presents in courts seem to be two very different things. He's trying to beat the system on technicality while publicly claiming fraud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by invictus View Post
    It is interesting how Trump is basically trying to change the rules after people have voted...
    Its only interesting because it is unbelievably transparent.

    We know he has no viable or uncommon basis for his claims. We know he knows he has none. He knows the left knows he knows.

    Yet he continues to press on. Why?

    Money is one reason. He continues to solicit donations that he effectively keeps himself.

    The other reason, the main one, is ultimately to salvage his ego.

    He wants to instill a mythology into the minds of his followers: A tale of how he is somehow not actually a loser. He won. The election was stolen. Trump is a winner. In order to preserve his ego, he is willing to topple the main pillar of democracy: Faith in elections. His supporters are willing to accept "the theft" as canon even in the absence of adjudicated, verified, proof. The mere suggestion that their enemy might have, could have, would have engaged in fraud, despite courts repeatedly laughing all so-called "evidence" out of court is enough to make them swell with confidence that Trumps 6.3 million vote margin loss, was actually a big win. People are sheep. easily manipulated. easily made fools of. This is the proof. Wishful thinking is the most powerful force on the planet, when you are DT.


    “Just say the election was corrupt and leave the
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    --Donald Trump

    Speaking to the Justice Department on Dec. 27, 2020. Conversation memorialized in then-acting Deputy Attorney General Richard Donoghue’s contemporaneous notes.



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    Quote Originally Posted by RMNIXON View Post
    This will advance to SCOTUS just like Gore V Bush because a Presidential Election is a National Constitutional concern. The Pennsylvania State court does not make the rules either. They can blather all they want about alleged unfairness, the Constitution is clear about State Legislatures making election law, not the State courts changing the rules right before an election.

    No matter who becomes President this is a serious matter than needs to be examined in order to prevent such abuse of power in the future.
    There are limits to what a legislature can do, and when. Look up the "Purcell Principle".


    Or how about this. Next election with two days remaining we will pass a law that says all rural districts must vote three days before the election.

    Do you like that idea? No?

    Then why do you like the idea of telling people their mail ballots wont count after its too late to do anything about it. Especially after telling them in print and on TV that they could?



    In any case it does not matter. there were not enough mail ballots after election day to make a difference in the election.


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    --Donald Trump

    Speaking to the Justice Department on Dec. 27, 2020. Conversation memorialized in then-acting Deputy Attorney General Richard Donoghue’s contemporaneous notes.



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    This year, in a 5-4 ruling on absentee voting in Republican National Committee v. Democratic National Committee, both the majority and the dissent relied on Purcell. One day prior to Wisconsin’s April primary election, the Supreme Court blocked a district court ruling issued five days before the election that extended the deadline for submitting absentee ballots. The district court based its decision on an immense backlog of absentee ballot requests due to concerns about voting in person during the coronavirus pandemic. (Local election officials were unable to process the unprecedented volume of requests that were timely under state law.) Citing Purcell and Veasey, the Supreme Court found that the district court should not have changed the election rules in the specific way that it did so close to the election. According to the five-justice majority, permitting absentee ballots to be cast (not merely postmarked) after the polls closed on Election Day would “fundamentally alter the nature of the election,” and further, the district court’s order preventing the state from announcing election results until extended absentee voting ended could create the kind of confusion cautioned against in Purcell. The Supreme Court did, however, leave in place a portion of the district court’s order, in effect permitting absentee ballots to be postmarked by Election Day even though state law would have required them to be delivered to local election offices by then......snip~


    If the leftness thinks the Purcell principle will support their team. They got another thing coming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    This year, in a 5-4 ruling on absentee voting in Republican National Committee v. Democratic National Committee, both the majority and the dissent relied on Purcell. One day prior to Wisconsin’s April primary election, the Supreme Court blocked a district court ruling issued five days before the election that extended the deadline for submitting absentee ballots. The district court based its decision on an immense backlog of absentee ballot requests due to concerns about voting in person during the coronavirus pandemic. (Local election officials were unable to process the unprecedented volume of requests that were timely under state law.) Citing Purcell and Veasey, the Supreme Court found that the district court should not have changed the election rules in the specific way that it did so close to the election. According to the five-justice majority, permitting absentee ballots to be cast (not merely postmarked) after the polls closed on Election Day would “fundamentally alter the nature of the election,” and further, the district court’s order preventing the state from announcing election results until extended absentee voting ended could create the kind of confusion cautioned against in Purcell. The Supreme Court did, however, leave in place a portion of the district court’s order, in effect permitting absentee ballots to be postmarked by Election Day even though state law would have required them to be delivered to local election offices by then......snip~


    If the leftness thinks the Purcell principle will support their team. They got another thing coming.
    1) the current situation is very different from that one.
    2) even if all the late arriving ballots were disqualified, Biden would still win.


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    --Donald Trump

    Speaking to the Justice Department on Dec. 27, 2020. Conversation memorialized in then-acting Deputy Attorney General Richard Donoghue’s contemporaneous notes.



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    Quote Originally Posted by invictus View Post
    So let entertain you for a second and say that Act 77 will be found as unconstitutional... What then? Will you take a re-vote? You know since that would be the fair thing to do or will you accept granting Trump victory even though the people of the state voted against him? Would you be okay with your vote being voided on some BS technicality?
    Recount only the votes that are constitutional.
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.


    I pledge allegiance to the Constitution as written and understood by this nation's founders, and to the Republic it created, an indivisible union of sovereign States, with liberty and justice for all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    Recount only the votes that are constitutional.
    That's fine. We'd still win.


    But let's talk about why you said that. You Republicans know that most every one of those late votes you seek to disqualify carry a legitimate expression of that person's choice for President. You like to pretend there "might" be fraud. You like to pretend that the fraud "might" be significant. But deep down, you know the will of the people rests in those ballots you wish to throw out. You people -- the ones who push to throw out the will of the people-- are the enemy of America. You people --who know more people voted for Joe, but seek to install the loser in office by any means necessary-- are the enemy of democracy. You people are the true evil. Just admit it. You don't care that more people voted for Joe. If you could push a button and see Trump win in spite of losing, you'd push it. That's why you're the problem.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLiquidGuy View Post
    That's fine. We'd still win.
    Cool.
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.


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    Quote Originally Posted by invictus View Post
    It is interesting how Trump is basically trying to change the rules after people have voted...
    That’s actually not what’s happening. The US Constitution puts the issue of creating or altering election laws in the hands of state legislatures. Not judges or other elected officials.

    Many, if not all of these election laws in these states were altered by someone other than the state legislature.
    When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.“ - Benjamin Franklin.


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    That is correct but just like Federal Courts state courts have a state constitution that governs what they are tasked with doing. A state court review of state election laws is a normal process. To appeal a state court decision to a federal court you need to establish that the state court ruled in a manner that is contrary to some aspect of the Federal Constitution. In the late ballot arrival case in PA the state had directed local election boards to segregate those ballots and not to include them in the final tally. A reasonable directive. What the Trump teams is arguing is that since those are questionable ballots ALL of the mail in ballots are some how tainted. Not only is that a real long stretch but is asking the courts, either federal or the SOCUS to invalidate hundreds of valid ballots that were casted in accordance with PA election law. As the judge ruled, if the Trump administration was dead set against mail in ballots they should have been in PA state court the day the legislature passed the law. But no-they only cried foul and fraud after the votes were counted and they lost. Real Patriots there.

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