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    Is this the way real Americans react to treason?


    Time isn’t on our side,” said President Trump on Friday. “Everything else is on our side. Facts are on our side.”

    The president was referring, of course, to the vote counts that currently are being disputed in several states. Indeed, if you’ve been following the actual developments on this front closely, you are becoming increasingly aware of just how much evidence there is of massive electoral fraud.


    The question is not whether the Democrats tried to steal the election; they did. At this point, there’s no honest question about that. The only question is whether there’s enough time to prove it in court, and whether the judges involved will dare to make honest rulings.


    To tens of millions of Americans, to be sure, there’s no story here. Since Election Night, they’ve been told by the media sources they trust that there’s no doubt about the results. Biden won; Trump is a sore loser; all claims of electoral fraud are “baseless” and “false”; right-wingers, by maintaining otherwise, have abandoned all reason.


    There’s one thing you can fairly say about all of the so-called journalists who dismiss claims of fraud as “baseless” and “false”: not a single one of them actually examines the evidence. Not in writing or on camera, anyway. Not objectively. Not honestly. All they have to say about the evidence is that it doesn’t add up to anything.


    And they don’t prove this. They just assert it. Indeed, assertion—repeated assertion; endless, mindless assertion—is their favored rhetorical device. When in your life have you ever run across the word “baseless” so frequently?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RefutingInfidels View Post
    " A preliminary estimate of insured losses from PCS as of September 30, 2020, which is still subject to further evaluation, would be more than $1 billion, marking it as the costliest civil disorder in U.S. history." https://www.iii.org/fact-statistic/f...ivil-disorders
    That estimate was two months ago, and it didn't include the un-/under-insured.
    They say it's more than a billion, but that's not an exact figure of 2 billion. Compared to the catastrophic effects of racism, the war on drugs, the mass incarceration of blacks and other minorities, the continual defunding of government programs by conservative politicians, one billion dollars in damages from civil unrest is nothing. All of those businesses that were insured got compensated for the property damage. You're more concerned about property damage than the damage caused by the government policies that led to the civil unrest.

    I agree the war on drugs has been counterproductive, although it was well-intended in the beginning. I don't care what a junkie puts in his body as long as taxpayers aren't on the hook for his related medical costs.
    The emboldened however, is sheer bull$#@!. Systemic racism has been wiped out in our nation, despite the liberal media's false narratives. The "mass incarceration of blacks" is directly related to the increased criminality and that's been proven by numerous studies. In other words, we're not locking up innocent people.

    As far as the "damage caused by the government policies" you mention -- elaborate on those. What policies? Be specific.
    The claims of Trump aren't taken seriously by the vast majority of people, with half a brain. Your silly comment about me being insecure with my spiritual beliefs and political leanings because I criticize a large segment of the right (the Evangelicals), reveals your own psychosis, which you're apparently projecting on me.
    If you weren't insecure in your ideology you'd find a way to get your point across without issuing blanket denigration of others with whom you disagree. Yours is a dangerous mindset. I'm not religious but I don't find the need to constantly denigrate those who are. When you become comfortable with where you are -- you will attain that ability.
    Some civil unrest is better than a civil war.
    Incorrect comparison because the lack of the former is not a catalyst for the latter. Neither one are desirable nor should either be tolerated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RefutingInfidels View Post
    Denying the president elect and his transition team from going through the process of preparing his administration, like all presidents do before they officially enter office, is immoral.
    Okay.

    Point taken.

    But to return to the original question, in the OP:

    Do you really believe that it is "dangerous to democracy" to pursue the matter of who actually won the presidential election?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RefutingInfidels View Post
    As far as "riots" and burning cities, that's an exaggeration advanced by right-wing propagandists.

    You'll go on google and search for some pictures of a few incidents of arson, creating a warped picture and false narrative that these incidents are the norm and common.
    I would fully expect the left-of-center Google to downplay the arson (and looting) that occurred in America following George Floyd's murder, in late May of 2020.

    Perhaps you believe that very little of this felonious behavior occurred earlier this year because, additionally, it was practically ignored by (the left-leaning) CNN and MSNBC.

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    Doesn't the Holy Spirit lead you to tell the truth? Many of you "born again" fake-disciples of Jesus, claim to be the salt of the earth, and follow the gospel, but you're just a bunch of liars.
    Do you really imagine that it is your place to judge others?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Booman View Post
    He hasn't overturned anything because the election has not been certified by the electoral college. He has a some good options. The SCOTUS being one of them.
    The Supreme Court will stay out of it. Roberts will make certain of that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RefutingInfidels View Post
    Silly glitch platitudes and BS FOX News talking points prove nothing. The REALITY is that the lawyers arguing Trump's case in court, refuse to admit fraud and have lost, every attempt to prove their fallacious case. As far as "riots" and burning cities, that's an exaggeration advanced by right-wing propagandists. You'll go on google and search for some pictures of a few incidents of arson, creating a warped picture and false narrative that these incidents are the norm and common. Doesn't the Holy Spirit lead you to tell the truth? Many of you "born again" fake-disciples of Jesus, claim to be the salt of the earth, and follow the gospel, but you're just a bunch of liars.
    It doesn’t get much dumber than that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Retirednsmilin308 View Post
    I bet you also think there is and was NO EVIDENCE of riots in our major cities either.

    Some have their eyes wide shut. Their AGENDA trumps reality.
    He already said that the violence was rare and basically propagandized to create a false RW narrative. That’s about as dumb as one can get.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pjohns View Post
    It is very doubtful, in my opinion, that President Trump will overturn the result of the November 3 presidential election--I give him perhaps a two- or three-percent chance (and even that may be too generous)--but if he wishes to try, I can certainly see no reason why liberals would declare that his doing so is "dangerous to democracy."

    He has every right--both legal and moral, I think--to pursue his options.

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    Trying to get state legislatures to overturn certified election results is not "pursuing his options." It's a direct attack on American democratic principles.

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    More votes than registered voters, blocking observers from observing the counting, staging a burst pipe and ushering everyone out accept for a few people with access to the voting machines...

    That's an attack on our democratic principles.





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    The voting machines were built to calculate a vote instead of tabulating a vote.

    Every place using the machines held fraudulent votes. Where is the DOJ?
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.


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