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    Is HR 1 realistic?

    The first bill the house will vote on calls for election reforms among other things. But some elements seem to be over reaching. Will these items stand up to state challenges in court?


    A few of the items related to voting...

    -automatic registration

    -redistricting would be done by independent commissions

    -require states to hold early voting for at least 15 day

    -allow same day registration
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLiquidGuy View Post
    The first bill the house will vote on calls for election reforms among other things. But some elements seem to be over reaching. Will these items stand up to state challenges in court?


    A few of the items related to voting...

    -automatic registration

    -redistricting would be done by independent commissions

    -require states to hold early voting for at least 15 day

    -allow same day registration
    Immediate reaction, same day registration is a very bad idea. No time to validate or vette, check against voter registrations nationwide.

    Not too fond of the automatic registration either. Making it optional is one thing, but the majority of people who haven't voted yet, have no clue, or could careless, about doing so. Uninformed voters are not a good thing for anybody.
    "I believe there are more instances of the abridgement of freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments by those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." -- James Madison

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLiquidGuy View Post
    The first bill the house will vote on calls for election reforms among other things. But some elements seem to be over reaching. Will these items stand up to state challenges in court?


    A few of the items related to voting...

    -automatic registration

    -redistricting would be done by independent commissions

    -require states to hold early voting for at least 15 day

    -allow same day registration
    Federal election laws can outline broad minimum standards for the States to figure out how to meet, or exceed. An example is the National Voter Registration Act of 1993.

    States can probably adapt the two registration items above under this current law. No need for a new one. Although I think same day registration and "automatic" registration are trouble. They invite fraud. Voter registration with drivers licenses, especially the new Real ID Act complaint licenses would work as you have to substantiate your citizenship status and residence.

    The other two items- a federal mandate to redistrict in a certain manner, and holding early elections for at least 15 days violates the Constitution which places that authority with State legislatures.
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    -automatic registration

    Based on what criteria? In what state?
    Why pretend that the Federal Government runs the states elections?


    -redistricting would be done by independent commissions
    No such thing as independent. I think some rules to govern how these snake like districts are created could be useful. Mostly those are created for minorities. Clyburn in my state would not have a chance without gerrymandering.
    -require states to hold early voting for at least 15 day
    In exchange for very tight absentee ballot use, this could work. But 15 days might be too long to get enough poll workers and to occupy polling stations that are public buildings, schools, etc...

    -allow same day registration
    That would be ridiculous and would encourage fraud. The voter rolls have to be settled well prior to the election for verification reasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLiquidGuy View Post
    The first bill the house will vote on calls for election reforms among other things. But some elements seem to be over reaching. Will these items stand up to state challenges in court?


    A few of the items related to voting...

    -automatic registration

    -redistricting would be done by independent commissions

    -require states to hold early voting for at least 15 day

    -allow same day registration
    You forgot printing ballots at home. Do Democrats think we're this stupid?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Federal election laws can outline broad minimum standards for the States to figure out how to meet, or exceed. An example is the National Voter Registration Act of 1993.

    States can probably adapt the two registration items above under this current law. No need for a new one. Although I think same day registration and "automatic" registration are trouble. They invite fraud. Voter registration with drivers licenses, especially the new Real ID Act complaint licenses would work as you have to substantiate your citizenship status and residence.

    The other two items- a federal mandate to redistrict in a certain manner, and holding early elections for at least 15 days violates the Constitution which places that authority with State legislatures.
    HR 1 would be an absolute disaster. https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar...le_145102.html
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    Since States define elections the bill would be unconstitutional if enforced.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosier8 View Post
    Since States define elections the bill would be unconstitutional if enforced.
    The title of that article implies that such measures would lead to one-party rule. Basically, a power grab.

    But there is already a standing power grab. Small sparsely populated states currently tip the scale for Republicans in the Senate. The five smallest states have populations under 850,000. Four red states and one purple. DC outnumbers at least two of those states, yet is denied representation. Offer all the historical and legal perspective you want, but it is undeniably and intuitively unjust that DC has no say in the Senate. It should be fixed.

    You may worry that this would entench Democrat dominance in the Senate. It wouldn't. It would, however, force Republicans to take a less extremist stance in order to capture more of the center vote. I understand compromise is not well received by some extremists here. But I believe that finally having fairer representation will force both sides to the true center instead of the artificial one we currently have. As more realistic expectations take hold, we might find ourselves better able to live with each other.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLiquidGuy View Post
    The first bill the house will vote on calls for election reforms among other things. But some elements seem to be over reaching. Will these items stand up to state challenges in court?


    A few of the items related to voting...

    -automatic registration

    -redistricting would be done by independent commissions

    -require states to hold early voting for at least 15 day

    -allow same day registration
    This is a brazen power grab. It ensures that future elections will be compromised. Virtually anyone can register to vote and vote in our elections under this law. Anyone at all.
    When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.“ - Benjamin Franklin.


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