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    Quote Originally Posted by Adelaide View Post
    Polling is suggesting 10-17% believing in QAnon (Americans, not party-specific). Think tanks have reported 15% that I have seen; CNN claimed it was only 10% a few days ago based on their polls and an NPR/IPSOS poll found 17% believed the core tenets (liberal child molesters who worship Satan). I'm not sure what they were smoking at NPR, (well, I know) but the research done by the American Enterprise Institute put it at 15%, 30% among Republicans, with 42% of Americans condemning QAnon and 41% "uncertain."

    It is a fringe group, but it's not actually that small. Part of the issue is also that the group has incorporated other conspiracy theories into their core theories that appeal to other fringe groups, like white supremacists, 9/11 "truthers", birthers, and so on - and some of those groups have more legitimate issues/concerns that are much lower on the crazy scale. Threw a wide net, caught a lot of idiots and some people who maybe didn't know better. Who knows (certainly not "Q" - watching their meltdown post-election has been excellent). I do not know any reasonable Republicans who would buy into this nonsense. It really is quite "Qult"-like.

    Also, apparently March 4th is the new "Storm" date since all their other predictions were outrageously and hilariously inaccurate.
    With regards to those QAnon believers, I suspect that there is a wide range of understanding of Q in that group. I suspect most "believe" one or two aspects of the very detailed and wide-ranging conspiracy theory and very few are even aware of the extent of the Q writings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    Had no idea what that even meant until I saw the term here.
    I suspect that would apply to most Americans until the "media" added it to the talking point list.
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    I'll return later to comment on other comments but the above requires a dose of reality. But let's not get too off topic, post a separate thread on your assumptions and I'll add below. Some times you have to call a spade a spade.


    '26 simple charts to show friends and family who aren't convinced racism is still a problem in America'

    https://www.businessinsider.com/us-s...hs-data-2020-6
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    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    I'll return later to comment on other comments but the above requires a dose of reality. But let's not get too off topic, post a separate thread on your assumptions and I'll add below. Some times you have to call a spade a spade.


    '26 simple charts to show friends and family who aren't convinced racism is still a problem in America'

    https://www.businessinsider.com/us-s...hs-data-2020-6
    This is an example of inductive reasoning. Brights know inductive reasoning can't prove anything.

    People who claim inductive reasoning proves a point, or theory are committing the Black Swan fallacy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carolina73 View Post
    There is no Qanon wing. If you surveyed "who believes in "Q" on this forum then you may get 1 or 2 positive responses.

    I think more leftists here would know about QAnon than any others.

    According to Pew Research, last spring during the Democratic primaries, more Democrats had heard about QAnon conspiracy theories than Republicans had (28 to 18 percent, respectively) and by the fall, that disparity had grown, with 55 percent of Democrats saying they’d heard of QAnon compared to less than 40 percent of Republicans. Notably, those most likely to say they had heard about it also reported that they got their news mainly from The New York Times, MSNBC, and NPR......snip~


    Pew Research put things into perspective. Most leftists had heard about QAnon from the New York Slimes, MSDNC, and NPR.


    55% of Deviates had heard about QAnon compared to less than 40% of Republicans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    This is an example of inductive reasoning. Brights know inductive reasoning can't prove anything.

    People who claim inductive reasoning proves a point, or theory are committing the Black Swan fallacy.


    Nah, that is actually an example of sheer stupidity. Both Sowell and Walt Williams debunked their bull$#@!.


    Since the 1960s. 6 out of 10 relationships and or dating are interracial. Marriages alone rose from 3% to 17% in 2015. 17million married in the US.


    Its not just the white privilege leftists that think they know what its like to be Black, Latino, Asian or some other minority that keeps stoking racism.


    Spike Lee: I give interracial couples a look. Daggers ...

    https://eriksoderstrom.com/6805/spike-lee-interracial-couples
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    “Racism isn’t Getting Worse, It’s Getting Filmed” | by ...

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    Racism isn’t getting worse, it’s getting filmed.” Those words couldn’t be more accurate four years later in 2020 after we’ve witnessed false and potentially fatal 911 calls on African ..



    “Racism isn’t getting worse, it’s getting filmed” - Will ...

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    Racism isn’t getting worse, it’s getting filmed” – Will Smith. Entertainment. ... Smith said he disagrees with people who think that the situation has gotten progressively worse.





    Hence Right now today.....Slow Racist Joe and the Deviates clearly stating they are about racial equity. Not Racial Equality. Validating that they are racial. Equity is based on results.....not equality.


    Most leftists deny that race relations have gotten better and improved. Naturally the majority of them never lived during the Time of Jim Crow and real systemic racism. So they have no clue what it was like. Despite those still alive that can tell them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    I'll return later to comment on other comments but the above requires a dose of reality. But let's not get too off topic, post a separate thread on your assumptions and I'll add below. Some times you have to call a spade a spade.


    '26 simple charts to show friends and family who aren't convinced racism is still a problem in America'

    https://www.businessinsider.com/us-s...hs-data-2020-6
    The interesting thing about your link is that not one of those 26 charts indicates racism is systemic.

    Fascinating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FindersKeepers View Post
    The interesting thing about your link is that not one of those 26 charts indicates racism is systemic.

    Fascinating.
    I stopped after the 4th entry. It doesn't appear to say anything at all about racism. Are we supposed to assume a disparity in any given area is the result of racism? Why?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FindersKeepers View Post
    The interesting thing about your link is that not one of those 26 charts indicates racism is systemic.
    Fascinating.
    I'm not sure it was done purposely but changing the topic to racism as Chris did deflected from the topic which was conspiracy thinking. That said my only comment going forward is the charts demonstrate the obvious point clearly. Lots more data if you take the time. Start a thread if you want to disprove / debate topic.


    Back on topic:

    Conspiracies provide a means to belong, a kind of knowledge, to be a part of something in our complex world. For thoughtful people they make little sense for soon they are forced to change as their predictions fail. This constant change should tell the believing person something, but instead it often deepens the belief for the reasons are hidden deeper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    I'm not sure it was done purposely but changing the topic to racism as Chris did deflected from the topic which was conspiracy thinking. That said my only comment going forward is the charts demonstrate the obvious point clearly. Lots more data if you take the time. Start a thread if you want to disprove / debate topic.


    Back on topic:

    Conspiracies provide a means to belong, a kind of knowledge, to be a part of something in our complex world. For thoughtful people they make little sense for soon they are forced to change as their predictions fail. This constant change should tell the believing person something, but instead it often deepens the belief for the reasons are hidden deeper.

    "It’s a commonplace now that we live in a fragmented age of filter bubbles in which everyone can locate a collection of online resources which will reinforce and support their views."

    https://www.waggish.org/2021/the-blo...cast-networks/

    "There is an urgent need to-day for the citizens of a democracy to think well. It is not enough to have freedom of the Press and parliamentary institutions. Our difficulties are due partly to our own stupidity, partly to the exploitation of that stupidity, and partly to our own prejudices and personal desires." Susan Stebbing


    'Why You Can Never Argue with Conspiracy Theorists'


    How the Left Lost Its Mind - The Atlantic

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    Jul 02, 2017 · In past political epochs, popular conspiracy theories spread via pamphlets left on windshields, or chain emails forwarded thousands of times. These days, …




    Last month, Democratic Senator Ed Markey delivered what seemed like an explosive bit of news during an interview with CNN: A grand jury had been impaneled in New York, he said, to investigate the Trump campaign’s alleged collusion with Russia.



    The only problem: It wasn’t true.



    The precise origins of the rumor are difficult to pin down, but it had been ricocheting around social media for days before Markey’s interview. The story had no reliable sourcing, and not a single credible news outlet touched it—but it had been fervently championed by The Palmer Report, a liberal blog known for peddling conspiracy theories, and by anti-Trump Twitter crusaders like Louise Mensch. Soon enough, prominent people with blue checkmarks by their names were amplifying it with “Big if true”-type Tweets. And by May 11, the story had migrated from the bowels of the internet to the mouth of a United States senator.


    It’s a prospect that deserves more serious attention and debate than it’s gotten this year. The Trump era has given rise to a vast alternative left-wing media infrastructure that operates largely out of the view of casual news consumers, but commands a massive audience and growing influence in liberal America. There are polemical podcasters and partisan click farms; wild-eyed conspiracists and cynical fabulists. Some traffic heavily in rumor and wage campaigns of misinformation; others are merely aggregators and commentators who have carved out a corner of the web for themselves. But taken together, they form a media universe where partisan hysteria is too easily stoked, and fake news can travel at the speed of light.



    In recent months, some of the most irresponsible actors in this world have proven alarmingly adept at influencing venerated figures of the left—from public intellectuals, to world-famous celebrities, to elected officials.


    In past political epochs, popular conspiracy theories spread via pamphlets left on windshields, or chain emails forwarded thousands of times. These days, the tinfoil-hat crowd gathers on Twitter.


    The most prolific of the conspiracy-mongers tend to focus on the Russia scandal, weaving a narrative so sensationalistic and complex that it could pass for a Netflix political drama. Theirs is a world where it is acceptable to allege that hundreds of American politicians, journalists, and government officials are actually secret Russian agents; that Andrew Breitbart was murdered by Vladimir Putin; that the Kremlin has “kompromat” on everyone, and oh-by-the-way a presidency-ending sex tape is going to drop any day now.


    Writing recently in The New Republic, Sarah Jones identified the popularity of these notorious tweetstormers—some of whom boast followings in the hundreds of thousands—as part of a “disturbing emerging trend” on the left. “Liberals desperate to believe that the right conspiracy will take down Donald Trump promote their own purveyors of fake news,” she wrote.


    But in 2017, the left has more niche political sites than ever, and in many ways they make up the core of its modern media ecosystem.


    On the “about” page for The Palmer Report, the site thanks a range of well-known people and mainstream media outlets it claims have shared its (dubious) reporting —including Representative Ted Lieu, former Michigan Governor Jennifer Granholm, former DNC chair Howard Dean, the actors Mark Ruffalo and Debra Messing, Newsweek, The Oregonian, and an array of MSNBC contributors. Laurence Tribe, the renowned Harvard scholar of constitutional law, has been an especially active booster for the site, routinely tweeting links to highly questionable, unverified news stories about Trump.


    When journalists began pressing the duo on why they were sharing a story from a website with such a spotty track record of accuracy, Price’s response was telling. “Every once in a blue moon, the tin hat can fit.”.....snip~


    How the Left Lost Its Mind - The Atlantic



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