Qanon / Conspiracy

[midcan5]

'Reason and rationality have never been more important than they are today.'

Qanon took a big hit, Trump lost. But consider too their many misses. So why do people still believe. I'll offer some thoughts on topic, included will be many sources for your analysis. Life often doesn't make easy sense, it seems too random, too confusing, too complex, so then why not invent a hidden conspiracy of planners and doers hidden but in control. You can name them too, they fill history. Spirits, ghosts, demons, witches, fill in your favorite foe and instigator. But but we know they are behind it all. It seems so simple, reveal them, but then what do you do? Lots of bad history here. And lots of evil which is often the bad part of conspiracy thought. Make sure you check out the 'Bad Thinkers' piece. Bravo to Bloomberg for their investigation.

Bloomberg and others investigated Qanon founder, see YouTube below. I've included several detailed discussions for those who want to investigate the whys and hows of conspiracy thinking. A deep dive into topic.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ed-as-operator

'EXCLUSIVE: Failed Screenwriter from New Jersey Behind One of QAnon’s Most Influential Personas'

https://www.logically.ai/articles/ex...ntial-personas

'What Comes Next For QAnon Followers'

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...non-followers/

'The QAnon Timeline: Four Years, 5,000 Drops and Countless Failed Prophecies'

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/amer...anon-timeline/

'How to Extract Adrenochrome from Children'

https://skeptoid.com/episodes/4750

'How the QAnon Conspiracy Seduces Normal People'

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/ar...-normal-people

'Bad thinkers'

https://aeon.co/essays/the-intellect...racy-theorists

'Learning By Thinking, A Conversation With Tania Lombrozo '

https://www.edge.org/conversation/ta...ng-by-thinking


Bloomberg Qanon Investigation




'The gullible rarely believe they are gullible and the closed-minded don’t believe they are closed-minded.'

[Peter1469]

Many misses? I would say 100% misses. I read that stuff every now and then. For entertainment. I never could understand how people fell for it. Especially, it seems some very intelligent people.

I suspect it was Russian disinformation.

[carolina73]

Anything that is listed as an anonymous source is meaningless to me.

The entire fraud of the MSM comes to mind at this moment and their sources saying that the cop that died at the capitol was hit in the head with a fire extinguisher.

Assume fraud when an anonymous source is used.

[Calypso Jones]

Many misses? I would say 100% misses. I read that stuff every now and then. For entertainment. I never could understand how people fell for it. Especially, it seems some very intelligent people.

I suspect it was Russian disinformation.

no. I suspect Leftist Psyops.

[Chris]

‘Systemic racism’ is a conspiracy theory

[MMC]

The QAnon Takeover Of The GOP Is A Fantasy Of Corporate Media And Democrats......

There’s a big push right now among corporate media, Democrats, and NeverTrumpers to establish a narrative that the Republican Party is being torn apart in a bitter civil war between its establishment wing and its supposed QAnon wing. It’s about as true as your garden-variety QAnon conspiracy theory, but it’s politically useful, which is why you’re seeing it crop up all over the media right now.


According to this narrative, dangerous right-wing conspiracy theorists and QAnon acolytes make up a sizable portion of the GOP electorate and enjoy broad acceptance among many Republican elected officials and right-of-center media outlets.


Tune into NPR or CNN, browse the pages of The New York Times or The Washington Post, and you’ll hear all of this discussed in detail, ad nauseum. But it’s pure fantasy, almost a kind of conspiracy theory of its own, akin to the years-long conspiracy theories about Trump’s collusion with Russia in the 2016 election, which Democrats and the press still cling to despite zero evidence after years of investigations.


Indeed, the notoriety QAnon now enjoys has more to do with the media building it up than Republicans flocking to its banner. According to Pew Research, last spring during the Democratic primaries, more Democrats had heard about QAnon conspiracy theories than Republicans had (28 to 18 percent, respectively) and by the fall, that disparity had grown, with 55 percent of Democrats saying they’d heard of QAnon compared to less than 40 percent of Republicans. Notably, those most likely to say they had heard about it also reported that they got their news mainly from The New York Times, MSNBC, and NPR.

As Politico reported this week, Democratic TV ads launched this week spotlight supporters of QAnon: “It is the first step in a larger plan, orchestrated by the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee’s new chair, Sean Patrick Maloney of New York, to exploit the growing friction between Trump hard-liners and establishment Republicans in the GOP base, which Maloney sees as a major weak point for the party.”



The GOP Civil War Is Between Populists and the Establishment

But that fight is a lopsided one, with a handful of elected neo-conservatives like Rep. Liz Cheney and NeverTrump pundits on one side, and the vast majority of the GOP electorate on the other. A recent Morning Consult/Politico poll, taken weeks after the Jan. 6 riot, found 81 percent of Republican voters still view Trump favorably, with a majority saying they have strongly held positive views of Trump and want him to run again in 2024.


The long-term question at the heart of the actual conflict in the Republican Party isn’t about QAnon or even about Trump. It’s about whether a post-Trump GOP will go back to being docile in the face of Democratic Party dominance, indifferent about the border and trade, all too eager to embroil American in foreign wars, and quiescent in the culture wars.


A GOP that refused to go back to those days and took up the banner of conservative populism would be a real threat to Democratic control in Washington and the cultural ascendancy of the left. No wonder Democrats and the media would rather talk about QAnon.
The reason Democrats and the media want to build up QAnon in the minds of Americans is fairly obvious: to tar all Republicans as crazy conspiracy theorists. That’s an explicit strategy among Democratic leadership in the House right now.....snip~


The QAnon Takeover Of The GOP Is A Fantasy Of Dems And The Media (thefederalist.com)


The best part about all of this are those like Midcan that fall for the OkieDoke. Still one does have to laugh at their concept of reason and rationality. Especially not even knowing what the Deviates play is with Q Anon.

[DGUtley]

'Reason and rationality have never been more important than they are today.'

Qanon took a big hit, Trump lost. But consider too their many misses. So why do people still believe. I'll offer some thoughts on topic, included will be many sources for your analysis. Life often doesn't make easy sense, it seems too random, too confusing, too complex, so then why not invent a hidden conspiracy of planners and doers hidden but in control. You can name them too, they fill history. Spirits, ghosts, demons, witches, fill in your favorite foe and instigator. But but we know they are behind it all. It seems so simple, reveal them, but then what do you do? Lots of bad history here. And lots of evil which is often the bad part of conspiracy thought. Make sure you check out the 'Bad Thinkers' piece. Bravo to Bloomberg for their investigation.

Bloomberg and others investigated Qanon founder, see YouTube below. I've included several detailed discussions for those who want to investigate the whys and hows of conspiracy thinking. A deep dive into topic.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ed-as-operator

'EXCLUSIVE: Failed Screenwriter from New Jersey Behind One of QAnon’s Most Influential Personas'

https://www.logically.ai/articles/ex...ntial-personas

'What Comes Next For QAnon Followers'

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...non-followers/

'The QAnon Timeline: Four Years, 5,000 Drops and Countless Failed Prophecies'

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/amer...anon-timeline/

'How to Extract Adrenochrome from Children'

https://skeptoid.com/episodes/4750

'How the QAnon Conspiracy Seduces Normal People'

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/ar...-normal-people

'Bad thinkers'

https://aeon.co/essays/the-intellect...racy-theorists

'Learning By Thinking, A Conversation With Tania Lombrozo '

https://www.edge.org/conversation/ta...ng-by-thinking


Bloomberg Qanon Investigation




'The gullible rarely believe they are gullible and the closed-minded don’t believe they are closed-minded.'

I found it interesting that you didn't list the Russian Hoax as one of the conspiracies that people got sucked into.

[jet57]

Many misses? I would say 100% misses. I read that stuff every now and then. For entertainment. I never could understand how people fell for it. Especially, it seems some very intelligent people.

I suspect it was Russian disinformation.

They fell for it the same way they fell for a Stolen Election. They same way they believe that Trump is the best thing that ever happened to to US. The same way they fell for Mccarthyism. It takes a certain kind of personality that has been framed since they way were able to walk. The tough father who carries a big stick, who is pious and always right and who knows what's best for you: a Puritan. As long as those emotional points are covered, trust develops and they will listen to, repeat, and follow that agenda.

[Peter1469]

The QAnon Takeover Of The GOP Is A Fantasy Of Corporate Media And Democrats......

There’s a big push right now among corporate media, Democrats, and NeverTrumpers to establish a narrative that the Republican Party is being torn apart in a bitter civil war between its establishment wing and its supposed QAnon wing. It’s about as true as your garden-variety QAnon conspiracy theory, but it’s politically useful, which is why you’re seeing it crop up all over the media right now.


According to this narrative, dangerous right-wing conspiracy theorists and QAnon acolytes make up a sizable portion of the GOP electorate and enjoy broad acceptance among many Republican elected officials and right-of-center media outlets.


Tune into NPR or CNN, browse the pages of The New York Times or The Washington Post, and you’ll hear all of this discussed in detail, ad nauseum. But it’s pure fantasy, almost a kind of conspiracy theory of its own, akin to the years-long conspiracy theories about Trump’s collusion with Russia in the 2016 election, which Democrats and the press still cling to despite zero evidence after years of investigations.


Indeed, the notoriety QAnon now enjoys has more to do with the media building it up than Republicans flocking to its banner. According to Pew Research, last spring during the Democratic primaries, more Democrats had heard about QAnon conspiracy theories than Republicans had (28 to 18 percent, respectively) and by the fall, that disparity had grown, with 55 percent of Democrats saying they’d heard of QAnon compared to less than 40 percent of Republicans. Notably, those most likely to say they had heard about it also reported that they got their news mainly from The New York Times, MSNBC, and NPR.

As Politico reported this week, Democratic TV ads launched this week spotlight supporters of QAnon: “It is the first step in a larger plan, orchestrated by the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee’s new chair, Sean Patrick Maloney of New York, to exploit the growing friction between Trump hard-liners and establishment Republicans in the GOP base, which Maloney sees as a major weak point for the party.”



The GOP Civil War Is Between Populists and the Establishment

But that fight is a lopsided one, with a handful of elected neo-conservatives like Rep. Liz Cheney and NeverTrump pundits on one side, and the vast majority of the GOP electorate on the other. A recent Morning Consult/Politico poll, taken weeks after the Jan. 6 riot, found 81 percent of Republican voters still view Trump favorably, with a majority saying they have strongly held positive views of Trump and want him to run again in 2024.


The long-term question at the heart of the actual conflict in the Republican Party isn’t about QAnon or even about Trump. It’s about whether a post-Trump GOP will go back to being docile in the face of Democratic Party dominance, indifferent about the border and trade, all too eager to embroil American in foreign wars, and quiescent in the culture wars.


A GOP that refused to go back to those days and took up the banner of conservative populism would be a real threat to Democratic control in Washington and the cultural ascendancy of the left. No wonder Democrats and the media would rather talk about QAnon.
The reason Democrats and the media want to build up QAnon in the minds of Americans is fairly obvious: to tar all Republicans as crazy conspiracy theorists. That’s an explicit strategy among Democratic leadership in the House right now.....snip~


The QAnon Takeover Of The GOP Is A Fantasy Of Dems And The Media (thefederalist.com)


The best part about all of this are those like Midcan that fall for the OkieDoke. Still one does have to laugh at their concept of reason and rationality. Especially not even knowing what the Deviates play is with Q Anon.

Right. It is just a fringe group.

Far more leftist fall for Critical Race Theory which is actually dangerous to the American way of life.

[Peter1469]

What a disjointed mess.

They fell for it the same way they fell for a Stolen Election. They same way they believe that Trump is the best thing that ever happened to to US. The same way they fell for Mccarthyism. It takes a certain kind of personality that has been framed since they way were able to walk. The tough father who carries a big stick, who is pious and always right and who knows what's best for you: a Puritan. As long as those emotional points are covered, trust develops and they will listen to, repeat, and follow that agenda.