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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    I defy you to prove anything you’ve just said.
    It’s trolling Thursday for you isn’t it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    It’s trolling Thursday for you isn’t it.
    So...by asking you for proof he is "trolling"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Yes, Nazis were, as nationalists, right-wing socialists, opposed to communists, as globalists, left-wing socialists.

    That changed over time as Nazis adopted fascism and aimed for global power. But fascism is neither left- nor right-wing, and globalism is not right-wing at all.
    Yes, they described themselves as the Third Way. Mussolini for instance was a communist, switched to socialism with an anti-international flavor because of his WWI experiences and that developed into fascism.
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    Hick's in Explaining Postmodernism discusses in detail the philosophical arguments of Kant, Fichte, Hegel, Marx, Nietzsche, Spengler, and others leading to socialism in Germany. You can read it here: http://www.stephenhicks.org/wp-conte...4-printing.pdf (.pdf) in the chapter "The Climate of Collectivism." Here let's jump to national socialism as rightwing collectivism under the subheading "The Rise of National Socialism: Who are the real socialists?"

    ...The rise of National Socialism to political prominence during the 1920s brought the abstract debate to particular focus, as the National Socialists, the Communists, and the Social Democrats all argued variations on the same themes and competed for the votes of the same constituencies.

    The socialist Social Democrats and the Communists had split over whether socialism would be achieved by evolution or revolution...

    ...The National Socialists recognized that they were on the Right and that the Social Democrats and the Communists were on the Left. But they found little practical difficulty wooing voters away from both parties by emphasizing the socialist elements of National Socialism. And they did not find that the theoretical goals of the three parties were that far apart. Hitler, for example, declared that “basically National Socialism and Marxism are the same.”124 And Josef Goebbels, who had a Ph.D. in philology and perhaps a better claim to understand the theoretical issues, argued the same point.

    ...Goebbels had often been more than willing to make speeches and write conciliatory essays to the Communists, asking them to recognize that the National Socialists’ and Communists’ major goals of overthrowing capitalism and achieving socialism were the same—and that the only significant difference between the two was that the Communists believed that socialism could be achieved at the international level, while the National Socialists believed that it could and should occur at the national level. The differences between National Socialism and Communism boiled down to a choice between the dictatorship of the Volk and the dictatorship of the proletariat.

    ...Western liberal civilization, however, survived both the Great Depression and World War II, emerging stronger than it had been before. During the war and its aftermath, the National Socialists and the collectivist Right were wiped out physically and discredited morally and intellectually. The new battle lines were simplified and starkly clear: liberal capitalism versus Left socialism....
    Edmund Burke: "In vain you tell me that Artificial Government is good, but that I fall out only with the Abuse. The Thing! the Thing itself is the Abuse!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cotton1 View Post
    So...by asking you for proof he is "trolling"?

    Pot meet kettle
    When chuckles first arrived here that is what he claimed, that if you constantly demand proofs of things that you are a troll. He's certainly lived up to and earned that reputation.
    Last edited by Chris; 02-25-2021 at 11:50 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Yes, they described themselves as the Third Way. Mussolini for instance was a communist, switched to socialism with an anti-international flavor because of his WWI experiences and that developed into fascism.
    Exactly, and that's what makes blanket statements about left and right so difficult. About the only safe claim is that Marx and Mussolini and others like them rejected modern democratic, capitalist liberalism.
    Edmund Burke: "In vain you tell me that Artificial Government is good, but that I fall out only with the Abuse. The Thing! the Thing itself is the Abuse!"

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