'Progressive' church claims: Parts of Bible wrong because it isn't the 'Word of God'

[Cletus]

So God tells the truth to one and lies to the other?

What?

[jet57]

I am a strong--very strong!--believer in the entirely objective.

If there were no good, objective reason to believe that the Bible is God's holy word--and the Quran is not--I would see your point.

But I believe that there is.

(Again, I do not put much faith in the entirely subjective--or in tradition, either.)

I take it you have a good objective reason to believe that the Quran - is not? Can you elaborate on that?

[Standing Wolf]

I am a strong--very strong!--believer in the entirely objective.

If there were no good, objective reason to believe that the Bible is God's holy word--and the Quran is not--I would see your point.

But I believe that there is.

(Again, I do not put much faith in the entirely subjective--or in tradition, either.)

The objective truth is that the various ancient texts that, over time, grew to be the Bible were all written down by human beings; the message that they contain, about God's purpose and Man's sin and redemption, etc., can be accepted as true by faith - but nothing objectively exists to prove that it is.

I will just add that pointing this out does not constitute ridicule or insult. Wonderful things have been done in the world by individuals and groups identifying as Christians, and individual Christian faith, as long as it does not entail enforcing doctrinal rules and restrictions on society or incorporating them into the civil law, is something to be respected. It's just that any claim that the Bible being "God's holy word" is objectively true cannot go unchallenged.

[jet57]

What?

I'm speaking in terms of the dogma that says that Christians only can be saved, which seems to be he general opinion in this thread. I'm also taking your world view as I know it into account. That you say both adhere to the same God is a very holistic approach to a clear understanding, but as Islam takes it on the chin in the conservative Christian world, forgive me for doubting your message... Does one of the two not understand God?

[Boris The Animal]

Right, Jesus was in the OT too. He is from the beginning. But propaganda, fake pastors, and the media tells you different.

A really great read on the subject of false prophets is Hank Hanegraaf's book Christianity in Crisis.

[Boris The Animal]

I'm speaking in terms of the dogma that says that Christians only can be saved, which seems to be he general opinion in this thread. I'm also taking your world view as I know it into account. That you say both adhere to the same God is a very holistic approach to a clear understanding, but as Islam takes it on the chin in the conservative Christian world, forgive me for doubting your message... Does one of the two not understand God?

Islam certainly does not understand. You have to remember that God's blessing applies ONLY to the descendants of Isaac, not Ishmael. And it is through Isaac that Messiah would come.

[jet57]

Islam certainly does not understand. You have to remember that God's blessing applies ONLY to the descendants of Isaac, not Ishmael. And it is through Isaac that Messiah would come.

You would have no way of knowing what Islam does or doesn't understand. You just repeat what you're told.

[jet57]

Right, Jesus was in the OT too. He is from the beginning. But propaganda, fake pastors, and the media tells you different.

So those charlatans think that people can't read? Or hope they don't or... what exactly?

[BenjaminO]

Islam certainly does not understand. You have to remember that God's blessing applies ONLY to the descendants of Isaac, not Ishmael. And it is through Isaac that Messiah would come.

That sucks.
So non-descendants have no reason to exist other than to look forward to hell.
What kind of god do you worship?

[jet57]

That sucks.
So non-descendants have no reason to exist other than to look forward to hell.
What kind of god do you worship?

I don't think it's God, it's - some sort of anarchy.