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    Quote Originally Posted by The Booman View Post
    Jet has a pattern. He starts by making specific claims. Then when challenged he tries to evade and then when that fails he engages however his responses become increasingly generalized and vague. The more subjective the better for him. The lines must be blurred for him to survive a debate. However he will always at some point run away, never to return to that thread.
    A pattern implies intelligence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    A pattern implies intelligence.
    Much like a dog that always chases its tail?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    And he thinks he's being clever
    I believe you're giving him too much credit when you say "thinks"

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    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    It's not the concept of income tax which I take issue with. Pre 1913 any money the feds didn't require for their enumerated duties went back to the states based upon population ( today you could return such funds based upon who paid what in) but that was not then practicle. The point was the feds took care of their business which was pretty much dealing collectively with other nations and regulating commerse that actually crossed state lines , the money went back to the state without strings or controls. The effect of course was to incentivise the government to only take taxes they required to run the enumerated powers.
    The states should legally be in charge of human services, drug policy within their own borders, arts endowments, Kennedy center contributions, housing , welfare , grants to other municipalities and busineses/non profits. Essentially the states knew they required a collective front to work with or if required war with other nations and the federal government became a necessary evil. It remained powerful enough to enforce the Constitution if states broke it for example the civil war. But it was not designed to regulate our daily lives for purposes of both liberty and fiscal effieicency.

    As for the cuts ideally we would transition the states rightful powers back to them but in the meantime 10% across the board annual cuts excepting SS/Medicare as that is our money and federal wages cuts would be lower and attrition based. These cuts would include congressional spending, the war machine, welfare including the corporate kind. Cuts could be reduced in the areas that involve the enumerated powers by taking deeper cuts in the areas which do not. I assure you there is not a federal program that could not survive several years of these cuts. In fact the first 2-3 years would just be cutting off the fat.
    Well said. Yes I agree that states should have more powers with respect to social services, but the problem is such services have become so high in demand, because of the amount of people who need it, but also so expensive, considering market pressures, not to mention the federal necessity due to intrastate political pressures that it all out of control. We just didn't have this problem until actually the end of the Vietnam war when the US became the new refugee camp for anybody and everybody. I have to say however that I maintain that federal intervention is simply the result of public demand. Our bread has two sides and both need butter in order for us to become what we were set out to be.

    What are termed as "entitlements", SS and medicare, are really not, because we pay into them, should be, in my view, one of those great things about the American dream. You've worked all your life, you've contributed, now you deserve a secure retirement. Costs?? much of that cost is under market control as we have had an out of control market system for the last 50 years. Now that baby boomers (the last US population boom) are goin out, THAT population is taken it on the chin just for being born at the wrong time? This country has more money than we know what to do with. The problem is the way it's allocated and corruption has such great cover with divisive politics that nobody can really follow the ball. We sold our country's ability to put people to work with good jobs, [i]and high contributions to SS and medicare for dividends and profit margins. It's no wonder that were squeezed. In order to get back to the constitution, we have to have better control of our money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    State demands create the need for federal money, no matter where it comes from...
    That is ridiculous.
    When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.“ - Benjamin Franklin.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Okay; you have no idea what you're talking about. You and D are two peas in a pod: you use a lot of words to say absolutely nothing.

    You've earned a place on the mantle! along the bottom where i keep Sybil, Forrest and a couple of others: I will continue to debunk your BS and then just ignore you as you don't have the capacity for intelligent discussion.

    Congratulations; you've earned it!
    When you "debunk" anything, let us all know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Gi'me the list of chris topics.


    So no answer which is what I thought

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    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Well said. Yes I agree that states should have more powers with respect to social services, but the problem is such services have become so high in demand, because of the amount of people who need it, but also so expensive, considering market pressures, not to mention the federal necessity due to intrastate political pressures that it all out of control. We just didn't have this problem until actually the end of the Vietnam war when the US became the new refugee camp for anybody and everybody. I have to say however that I maintain that federal intervention is simply the result of public demand. Our bread has two sides and both need butter in order for us to become what we were set out to be.

    What are termed as "entitlements", SS and medicare, are really not, because we pay into them, should be, in my view, one of those great things about the American dream. You've worked all your life, you've contributed, now you deserve a secure retirement. Costs?? much of that cost is under market control as we have had an out of control market system for the last 50 years. Now that baby boomers (the last US population boom) are goin out, THAT population is taken it on the chin just for being born at the wrong time? This country has more money than we know what to do with. The problem is the way it's allocated and corruption has such great cover with divisive politics that nobody can really follow the ball. We sold our country's ability to put people to work with good jobs, [i]and high contributions to SS and medicare for dividends and profit margins. It's no wonder that were squeezed. In order to get back to the constitution, we have to have better control of our money.

    But the money comes from and is dispersed to the same people regardless of which governments layers are involved. IMO an extra layer just takes services away.

    SS and Medicare I have earned, PA is adifefrent matter. But corruption is at the heart of all our problems

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