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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    In a way, politically, all conservatives need do is play the opposition to whatever Biden and the Democrats do if and when they figure out what that is.
    That's kind of what both sides do. It's also why nothing changes....aside from tax rates.





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    Quote Originally Posted by The Booman View Post
    The state.
    The state of confusion or chaos?
    When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.“ - Benjamin Franklin.


    “When people get used to preferential treatment equal treatment seems like discrimination.” - Thomas Sowell

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    Quote Originally Posted by Retirednsmilin308 View Post
    @jet57

    I see the only peaceful solution is for the UNITED states to no longer be UNITED. We are not now anyway.

    Balkanization is the best and most peaceful solution.

    ******************************************

    Now for my own personal input as to how.

    The old Confederacy and the western states should form their own country.

    California, Oregon, and Washington should form a republic of their own.

    New York, NJ, PA, and a few others can decide who they want to unite with or make another country of their own.

    New England might have a bust up too because Maine and VT, NH are nothing like MA, RI, and CT.

    TEXAS of course will be its own independent republic again, but this time, stay that way.

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    We are no longer UNITED states.

    Our reps can never agree on anything and every decision is straight down party lines.

    When a new Prez takes over, they wind up writing zillions of executive orders to cancel out the last set of EO's the last guy did.

    Legislation is now done through Executive orders and Supreme Court decisions as the legislature is so embroiled in hatred for the other side, they are acting like children.

    YES...it is time to break this country up and divide it along tribal lines. In reality it already is, so why not make it official.
    I agree
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    In a way, politically, all conservatives need do is play the opposition to whatever Biden and the Democrats do if and when they figure out what that is.
    We need to turn their own tactics against them.
    Cutesy Time is OVER

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    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    I want you all to tell me what your ideal for our country is. Constitutionalism? How so? Which regulations should be ended: don; say all of them., Say which ones and why. Is their religion in government?

    Those are just some things off the top of my head, but I want you to tell me what it is that you want to see this country be. Incorporate your values into it.

    Go -

    I can only speak for myself but obviously we need to start with the BOR's. It's written quite plainly so we need to respect it. I fear it has become necessary to add ideaology to the non-discrimination clause.That is NOT to say we would have total free speech at work but colleges corporatiuons with government contracts etc need to be prevented from discrimination based upon political beliefs. I'd like to see government work within it's Constitutional Limitations and for example regulate true interstate commerce by breaking up big tech as they are a functional monopoly. While pulling back on envirnomental regualation via Constitutional review and cost benefits. and of course real science. Which shows that CC is nowhere near the monster we have been told it is.
    Some things the feds need to get out of are drug policy within the states and the same with gun control also human service programs other than SS/Mediacre turning the majority of social programs/welfare back over to the states with limited rules on how they enact those programs. Off couse the feds would now require and collect less taxes so the states could have more. Efficieicy alone would save tens of billions plus.

    Use the bathroom of your birth gender or use the one you look like and go in the stall, no one will know or care as long as you don't make a fuss about it. No more legislated racism in any direction that means abandoning the failed program of AA for example. There are tow genders but people have the right to live as either or some make believe ones but they can only BE the gender of their birth.
    Term limits, limits on campaign spending, banning congressional insider trading, immediate return of power to state legislatures and real definitions of emergency powers to prevent more of the abuses we saw in 2020/2021.
    A reaonable plan to 1) Achieve and maintain complete energy independence first and 2) Then encourage not legislate a gradual increase in alternate energy's share . Pull out of G-7 and other wasteful/useful organizations to include the UN. Strict limitations on EO's and a federal respect for the individual that we seem to have lost.

    As for other regulations start with a Constitutional review and then evaluate the surviors based upon real science and cost benefits. That should eliminate much of the over the top envirnomental

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    1. Follow the Constitution including its principle of federalism.

    2. Regulations: review them and remove the overly onerous ones, the ones that favor big business over small business (or create separate regulations for each). Ensure regulations that remain make sense and achieve their stated goals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nathanbforrest45 View Post
    To answer your last question: Is there religion in government? Of course, as laid out in the First Amendment in which Congress shall make no laws regarding the establishment of religion. That does not mean freedom from religion where religion shall not be discussed in public. It means that the Federal Government does not attempt to establish any religion as the dominant religion. George Washington stated: "It is impossible to govern the world without God and the Bible. Of all the dispositions and habits that lead to political prosperity, our religion and morality are the indispensable supporters. Let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Reason and experience both forbid us to expect that our national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle."
    I would simply restate the position taken by Sean Hannity stating Conservatism was a return to the principles of the Constitution, the Federal Government should always defer to the several states for anything other than specifically listed in the Constitution. As far as the "regulations" I would have to look at each of the 44 million regulations currently on the books. My first reaction to that question is ALL OF THEM and then re institute those that would truly help all Americans. I would certainly repeal the income tax and institute a national sales tax as outlined by Neal Boortz in his book "The Fair Tax"

    Most federal regulations have been passed in order to help a specific industry or group.

    I realize a socialist dictator such as yourself would not understand a single word I have written. That is truly your loss.
    Okay, I ask if in your world there is religion in government? and mention the first amendment; vaguely and it looks like you're saying that religion should be discussed, meaning Christianity in public forums on public property: that's all I can get from a rather confused sentence on it.

    You then try and refer to Washington's 1796 farewell address and insert this false facebook quote: It is impossible to govern the world without God and the Bible. Well Washington never said that. It's been shown to be false, so you pasted an amalgam that is disingenuous. Here's what Washington said in that address:

    Let it simply be asked: Where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths which are the instruments of investigation in courts of justice ? And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.
    The sense of obligation, nothing more. And, apparently you like regulations

    And then you try and quote Hannity, which could have come from anywhere.

    You really have no idea what kind of government would exist in a conservative United States. And then you add this gem :"I realize a socialist dictator such as yourself would not understand a single word I have written." NOBODY can understand a single word you've written; it doesn't make any sense at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    1. Follow the Constitution including its principle of federalism.

    2. Regulations: review them and remove the overly onerous ones, the ones that favor big business over small business (or create separate regulations for each). Ensure regulations that remain make sense and achieve their stated goals.
    So what IS federalism?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    So what IS federalism?
    This question demonstrates how dumbed down school is in the US.

    And it is part of the plan towards authoritarianism.

    Can any intelligent person tell me that they hear the word federalism and go blank?

    Any support for Jet?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    This question demonstrates how dumbed down school is in the US.

    And it is part of the plan towards authoritarianism.

    Can any intelligent person tell me that they hear the word federalism and go blank?

    Any support for Jet?
    So, you want federalism, but don't know what it is...

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