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    Quote Originally Posted by LWW View Post
    Fascism is the merger of state and corporate power.
    ding!!ding!!ding!!ding!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    ding!!ding!!ding!!ding!!!
    ^^dingaling
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    ^^dingaling
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    ^^dingaling
    Corporation in this context has a meaning similar to a Medieval Estate. It should be no surprise that he has the wrong idea here too.
    Whoever criticizes capitalism, while approving immigration, whose working class is its first victim, had better shut up. Whoever criticizes immigration, while remaining silent about capitalism, should do the same.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    Corporation in this context has a meaning similar to a Medieval Estate. It should be no surprise that he has the wrong idea here too.
    You couldn’t post anything intelligent if they paid you.

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    Back to the topic of the thread, though, it has always seemed to me that some folks reserve their outrage and resentment toward "State power" for the federal government. Any civil authority, down to your town council or mayor's office, can represent "the State". Just as the federal government does frequently practice overreach and seek to extend its power over citizens in ways the Founders didn't intend - and you'll get no argument from me on that score - state and local governments are also sometimes guilty of infringing on those rights and freedoms recognized by the Constitution. When this happens I sometimes hear the idea of "state's rights" or of "local control" invoked, as though their status as lesser jurisdictions somehow absolved their legislatures, executives and bureaucrats from having to respect their citizens' rights as Americans. Infringement is infringement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Standing Wolf View Post
    Back to the topic of the thread, though, it has always seemed to me that some folks reserve their outrage and resentment toward "State power" for the federal government. Any civil authority, down to your town council or mayor's office, can represent "the State". Just as the federal government does frequently practice overreach and seek to extend its power over citizens in ways the Founders didn't intend - and you'll get no argument from me on that score - state and local governments are also sometimes guilty of infringing on those rights and freedoms recognized by the Constitution. When this happens I sometimes hear the idea of "state's rights" or of "local control" invoked, as though their status as lesser jurisdictions somehow absolved their legislatures, executives and bureaucrats from having to respect their citizens' rights as Americans. Infringement is infringement.
    You have made this point before. You believe some folks are inconsistent. Noted. Ethereal certainly isn't so what do you think of the OP itself with regard to less skepticism toward state power?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    You have made this point before. You believe some folks are inconsistent. Noted. Ethereal certainly isn't so what do you think of the OP itself with regard to less skepticism toward state power?
    In my lifetime I have noted, if anything, a tendency toward there being an increase in skepticism, regards State power. Think about how the police were viewed in the t.v. shows of the '50s and '60s - 'Dragnet', 'The Untouchables', 'Adam-12', etc. - as well as the F.B.I. and U.S. intelligence agencies. They were always the good guys, with nary a whiff of corruption and no bad motives, who wouldn't dream of violating anyone's rights. If you bad-mouthed the police or accused them of wrongdoing, you were obviously guilty of something. If you had a problem with them conducting a warrantless search or wiretapping your phone, you must be hiding something.

    We as a society have become far less amenable to simply taking orders, keeping our mouths shut and seeing government as our friend. Without doubt the most marked conversion is among social conservatives, who used to ardently defend law enforcement and federal intelligence gathering agencies as maintainers and preservers of the status quo, and to dismiss any talk of "civil rights" - or of privacy violations - as "radicalism" or worse.

    Ethereal's OP, like so many of the forum's current threads, equates compliance with government directives aimed at reducing the spread of a virus that has killed more than a half a million Americans in the last year with "less skepticism toward state power", and I just can't take that leap. Are people more willing to follow a directive like mask-wearing or social distancing than they would have been thirty, fifty, seventy years ago? Hard to say. I do recall, however, the "duck and cover" drills in the public schools during the Cold War era. And I'm not old enough to remember when 120,000 U.S. residents, more than 74,000 of them citizens, were sent to internment camps because of their racial ancestry - with very little in the way of public criticism arising - but I've read about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardMZhlubb View Post
    It's funny how you accuse me of inventing things when I point out the underlying racism of a lot of your threads and yet you keep posting these "America was better when it was whiter" threads.
    You're just a pathological liar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FindersKeepers View Post
    Complete BS, but not surprising coming from you.

    Ethereal, as many others here is only responding to a push from the Left to deny the history of the nation and to replace it with their own tall-tale-telling.

    It's not a matter of "better" or "worse." It's a matter of attributing honor and respect where it's due. In the case of the USA, it's a simple fact that the Founders--as well as most of the early influential persons--were white. It's okay to relate their names in association with their contributions. Just as Thomas L. Jennings should be credited, honored, and respected for his inventions, even though he's black.

    What KoolAid-drinkers such as yourself still haven't figured out is that it doesn't matter what color their skin was, what's important is the contribution they made to society. Only anti-intellectuals want to white-wash history.

    Why do you want to push a false narrative? Who does that help?
    The first person to die in the American revolution was a black man, Crispus Attucks. He was a true American, unlike Zhlubb.
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