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    An American 'Belt and Road' Would Logically Shrink U.S. Global Influence

    Central planning doesn't work as it misallocates resources. The US would be making a mistake by trying to copy China's Belt and Road system.


    An American 'Belt and Road' Would Logically Shrink U.S. Global Influence

    This rates mention in consideration of China’s own “Belt and Road” initiative in countries not China. In a recent Wall Street Journal op-ed, former Navy secretary (Reagan), U.S. senator (D-VA, 2007-2013), and novelist extraordinaire James Webb described “Belt and Road” as “China’s pursuit of massive infrastructure projects in developing countries, where it seeks to cement long-term relations.” Webb views this as China “gaining influence” around the world, leadership in Beijing presumably feels the same way, and Webb thinks the U.S. should do the same. Let’s hope we don’t.
    Implicit in infrastructure building is the same knowledge problem that underlies all other governmental allocations of precious resources always and everywhere produced in the private sector first. We all know from when China’s economy was wholly controlled from the proverbial Commanding Heights that the result was economic desperation. Central planning fails. See the 20th century. Webb knows this well.
    Which is why it’s odd that he would embrace more of the same, albeit from the U.S. What fails in total doesn’t stop failing when practiced in limited fashion. With a U.S. “Belt and Road” initiative, Nancy Pelosi, Mitch McConnell, Chuck Schumer, Joe Biden, and Donald Trump (will he run again in 2024?) would be the central allocators of resources better left in the private sector. Government spending is a tax on growth precisely because governments can only spend insofar as they arrogate to themselves a portion of private production. In this case, they would extract resources from U.S. producers only to foist their planning on other countries. If such policies were consistent with economic growth, then it’s certainly true that West Virginia (where Robert Byrd’s name is seemingly on everything) would be one of the U.S.’s richest states.




    Which speaks to the meaning of the United States globally. The U.S. is a symbol of freedom. It’s a symbol of living life to the fullest, without limits. American products are surely great, but the American brand is arguably even greater. As a global symbol of unfettered freedom, people around the globe want what emerges from this Land of the Free. After which, free people in the U.S. have the freedom (in concert with enormous amounts of global capital seeking U.S. exposure) to relentlessly create new products and services. In short, freedom begets more of the Americana so desired by the rest of the world.
    The above truth speaks to why an American “Belt and Road” initiative would be a colossal waste of precious resources that would, if anything, shrink U.S. influence. What enhances U.S. stature is its people living as they wish, keeping what’s theirs, and rushing the future into the present through the matching of the free and talented with capital not consumed by politicians.


    Government spending is a tax on what makes the U.S. spectacular in the eyes of the world, and by extension it limits the intrepid ways of the American people in their production of aspirational goods and services. Add the lockdowns to the list of what shrinks the U.S. in the eyes of the world. When we act foolishly, we give the rest of the world cover to do the same.


    The main thing is that the U.S. needn’t mis-allocate what its people produce in return for influence. The greatest source of U.S. influence is freedom itself. Keep it. Leave discredited Keynesian folly to others.
    Read the entire article at the link.
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    Since there isn't anyone in the USA advocating for a US global "belt and road" system, the article seems to be railing against phantoms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mamooth View Post
    Since there isn't anyone in the USA advocating for a US global "belt and road" system, the article seems to be railing against phantoms.
    The article lists people in the US who are advocating for it.
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    The policy encouraged by establishment democrats and neoconservative is not only unpopular with the American people but also harmful to the American people. They will strip Americans of everything they have to achieve their rule of the world.
    This is not the Bernie Sanders and his follower style passive globalism that gives away power. This is people that are interested in world domination that support a Belt & Road policy.

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    The Belt&Road initiative is designed around the old Silk Road trading routes for a very good reason . They were developed over thousands of years as the most efficient trading routes to service trade between all countries who used them.....there can only be one Belt&Road , and eventually , it will be global......not designed around the requirements of any particular country or market , but built to serve trade between all countries , in the most efficient manner possible . China is pushing to get it done , but they won't own it - all countries who participate will own it . China will obviously benefit greatly from increased trade , but they're already doing that .

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    Quote Originally Posted by PJL View Post
    The Belt&Road initiative is designed around the old Silk Road trading routes for a very good reason . They were developed over thousands of years as the most efficient trading routes to service trade between all countries who used them.....there can only be one Belt&Road , and eventually , it will be global......not designed around the requirements of any particular country or market , but built to serve trade between all countries , in the most efficient manner possible . China is pushing to get it done , but they won't own it - all countries who participate will own it . China will obviously benefit greatly from increased trade , but they're already doing that .
    African nations stare at defaults as debt to China swells



    The debt owed to China by copper-rich Zambia and other African countries has skyrocketed in recent years under Beijing's Belt and Road infrastructure initiative. As default risks mount due to the pandemic, the Group of 20 rich nations have tried to ease the debt burden, but China has faced criticism that it has been slow to offer relief.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    A quote from the above link : "Zambia's direct external debt totaled $12 billion at the end of June, according to its finance ministry. World Bank data shows $3.4 billion in debt to China" .....I think this shows quite clearly , that Zambia's debt to China is far from their main debt problem , and similar ratio would be common throughout African countries . Africa owes far more to the IMF than they owe to China......but at least with China , they get badly needed infrastructure , to help them get out of debt .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by PJL View Post
    A quote from the above link : "Zambia's direct external debt totaled $12 billion at the end of June, according to its finance ministry. World Bank data shows $3.4 billion in debt to China" .....I think this shows quite clearly , that Zambia's debt to China is far from their main debt problem , and similar ratio would be common throughout African countries . Africa owes far more to the IMF than they owe to China......but at least with China , they get badly needed infrastructure , to help them get out of debt .
    It didn't work very well, apparently
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    What's that old saying?
    It takes money to make money?
    That is what China is doing to us.
    They see a market, they go after it.
    We should be doing the same thing except with our favored products.
    For example we make more food than we know what to do with - even paying farmers not to grow more.
    Why not make some deals with Africa where people are starving.

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