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    There Is No Such Thing as "White" Math

    The author of There Is No Such Thing as "White" Math, Sergiu Klainerman, a professor of mathematics at Princeton, compares his experiences growing up under Communism with the Great Awokening.

    In my position as a professor of mathematics at Princeton, I have witnessed the decline of universities and cultural institutions as they have embraced political ideology at the expense of rigorous scholarship. Until recently — this past summer, really — I had naively thought that the STEM disciplines would be spared from this ideological takeover.

    I was wrong. Attempts to “deconstruct” mathematics, deny its objectivity, accuse it of racial bias, and infuse it with political ideology have become more and more common — perhaps, even, at your child’s elementary school.

    This phenomenon is part of what has been dubbed “The Great Awokening.” As others have explained powerfully, the ideology incubated in academia, where it indoctrinated plenty of bright minds. It then migrated, through those true believers, into our important cultural, religious and political institutions. Now it is affecting some of the country’s most prominent businesses.

    Unlike the traditional totalitarianism practiced by former communist countries, like the Romania I grew up in, this version is soft. It enforces its ideology not by jailing dissenters or physically eliminating them, but by social shaming, mob punishment, guilt by association, and coerced speech.

    When it comes to education, I believe the woke ideology is even more harmful than old-fashioned communism.

    Communism had a strong sense of objective reality anchored in the belief that humans are capable of discovering universal truths. It forcefully asserted, in fact, the absolute truth of dialectic materialism, as revealed by its founders Marx, Engels and Lenin. Communist ideology held science and mathematics in the highest regard, even though it often distorted the former for doctrinal reasons.

    Mathematics was largely immune to ideological pressure, and thus thrived in most communist countries...
    About all I can quote, so read the rest!

    It's quite true, this woke stuff is soft...so far, but our government is starting to push it.
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    The idea that focusing on getting the “right answer” is now considered among some self-described progressives a form of bias or racism is offensive and extraordinarily dangerous. The entire study of mathematics is based on clearly formulated definitions and statements of fact. If this were not so, bridges would collapse, planes would fall from the sky, and bank transactions would be impossible.
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    The entire study of mathematics is based on clearly formulated definitions and statements of fact. If this were not so, bridges would collapse, planes would fall from the sky, and bank transactions would be impossible.

    You say that like its a bad thing. What is worse, a thing not working or the destruction of a young person's self esteem by requiring him to get the right answer?

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    Ask yourselves why such a book is even necessary in a so-called enlightened society?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RMNIXON View Post
    Ask yourselves why such a book is even necessary in a so-called enlightened society?
    Book?

    Many books are necessary to present how postmodernism emerged from various philosophical roots, and then Critical Theory from that, and other books to tie it to more recent history in academia and social justice movements.

    Postmodernism follows from a history of anti-Enlightenment philosophy starting perhaps with Kant but is really Enlightened skepticism taken to extremes. Speaking enlightened society Enlightened Individualism has weakened it to the point it is powerless in defending traditional culture and values--here, too, I think postmodern Critical Theory, the basis of Cancel Culture like we see in Coke, Oreo, statues, math, etc, is Individualism to the extreme in empowering all as absolute equals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    The author of There Is No Such Thing as "White" Math, Sergiu Klainerman, a professor of mathematics at Princeton, compares his experiences growing up under Communism with the Great Awokening.



    About all I can quote, so read the rest!

    It's quite true, this woke stuff is soft...so far, but our government is starting to push it.
    I have long asserted (as have many others) that modern liberalism is a form of literal mental illness. What other possible explanation could there be?
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    Anyone who thinks that mathematics is "white" or an example of "white privilege", apart from being an idiotic notion, since mathematics is fundamental to nature, should study a little history. There is ample archeological evidence that the basis for all higher math was developed in Kemet, now known as Egypt and the Greeks learned math from the Egyptians. Kemetyu mathematics consisted of arithmetic, algebra and geometry. The people of Kemet were not "white". In fact, they were described by Herodotus as having dark skin and curly hair. Greek writers saw no particular difference between Egyptians and Ethiopians. In fact the Greek word Aethiops, from which Ethiopian derives, means 'burnt face'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    I have long asserted (as have many others) that modern liberalism is a form of literal mental illness. What other possible explanation could there be?
    Problem is both modern liberalism and modern conservatism derive from classical Enlightenment liberalism. Both have the same aim, to liberate the individual, they just go about it with different means.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    Anyone who thinks that mathematics is "white" or an example of "white privilege", apart from being an idiotic notion, since mathematics is fundamental to nature, should study a little history. There is ample archeological evidence that the basis for all higher math was developed in Kemet, now known as Egypt and the Greeks learned math from the Egyptians. Kemetyu mathematics consisted of arithmetic, algebra and geometry. The people of Kemet were not "white". In fact, they were described by Herodotus as having dark skin and curly hair. Greek writers saw no particular difference between Egyptians and Ethiopians. In fact the Greek word Aethiops, from which Ethiopian derives, means 'burnt face'.

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