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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    The evidence cardio adaptation is based upon is weak and it doesn't look at the reality of cardio routines. They looked at people who did exactly the same thing at exactly the same rate for a significant period of time. But who does that? You get better at cardio. You run harder. You run faster. You run further. When I was an inexperienced runner cranking out a single 8 minute mile does anyone seriously believe I'm burning the same number of calories running 7 miles at a much faster pace?
    Yea, but I think a lot of people do steady state cardio at the same rate over and over, forever. I see that at my gym and at previous gyms. Not everyone of course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison View Post
    I say normal activities (outside) don't overdue it
    Cooking at home with fresh food and 3 small meals a day
    Drinking Water

    That's my way
    Keep your brain busy
    I understand that position. I don't exercise just for the sake of it. I actually like it and it is part of my daily routine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    I understand that position. I don't exercise just for the sake of it. I actually like it and it is part of my daily routine.
    Yeah!
    I agree, everyone way is a personal choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Yea, but I think a lot of people do steady state cardio at the same rate over and over, forever. I see that at my gym and at previous gyms. Not everyone of course.
    Even then, the effect isn't that significant. You may expend 20% fewer calories. The last message we should be sending is to stop exercising. I agree 100% that diet is critical. It's half the equation (and most of the equation if you want your abs to show) but it's irresponsible to advise people to reduce their activity level. I can tell that most of the people in the cardio area at my gym would rather be doing something else. There a lot of people who do resistance training that are consistent and pretty hard core but I'm one of handful of serious runners and cyclers. The idea that exercise is futile or even counter-productive would be very appealing to people who'd rather not do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    I understand that position. I don't exercise just for the sake of it. I actually like it and it is part of my daily routine.
    Same here. I look forward to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    Even then, the effect isn't that significant. You may expend 20% fewer calories. The last message we should be sending is to stop exercising. I agree 100% that diet is critical. It's half the equation (and most of the equation if you want your abs to show) but it's irresponsible to advise people to reduce their activity level. I can tell that most of the people in the cardio area at my gym would rather be doing something else. There a lot of people who do resistance training that are consistent and pretty hard core but I'm one of handful of serious runners and cyclers. The idea that exercise is futile or even counter-productive would be very appealing to people who'd rather not do it.
    Totally agree. And exercise has a lot more benefits beyond weight loss.
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    Exercise does help but diet plays a more important part. More on this later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trumpster View Post
    Exercise does help but diet plays a more important part. More on this later.
    Very true. Diet is probably 75% of the equation. And the type of exercise is very important if your goal is weight loss- or I should say losing fat.
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    I think what Pontzer said may have been a bit misleading when he said it was a brilliant evolutionary strategy for hunter-gatherers to burn 3,000 calories per day, no matter their activity level, to survive in times of famine. If they did burn the same amount it would have been because they first got fat when food was plentiful and they would then burn their own stored-up body-fat.

    In times of famine, they would still need to be out hunting and trying to gather whatever they could find, even if they didn't find anything. So their activity level would be basically the same. That being the case, why would it be surprising that they would burn the same amount of calories?

    Then what would happen if the famine lasted longer than expected and they had no more body fat to burn? Their metabolism would slow down considerably and they would burn a lot less calories which would come mainly from cannibalizing their own muscle.

    I don't see how any of what he says is new information. And he's for cutting calories; what's new about that?

    Also, there have been studies that show two people may consume the exact same diet/calories with different outcomes concerning weight issues. That's because no two people have the exact same digestive system. Does he acknowledge that in his book, or does he ignore it? The efficiency of our digestive system can be enhanced or destroyed based on our overall lifestyle.
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    This is my kind of thread. I taught PE for 40 yrs and was married to a clinical dietician for 25 yrs. The body adapts so doing the same cardio may have some diminishing returns. And the same is with diet. Your weight plateaus as your body adapts to the intake. The key to both is probably changing it up. Madison said water. Drinking more in my mid sixties has helped a lot with my digestion. I have diverticulitis and I fixed that with diet years ago. But the water has made a great difference. I found a new book recently 0acfb82c127308c6cb7323cca2969d11.jpg and it basically affirms that you move you live, you move a lot and you live longer and much healthier and if you sit you are gonna die and have poor health. I recently had that epiphany in my old easy chair. It was like a drug so I threw it out. Movement raises your metabolism and helps digestion. Maintains flexibility and actually gives you energy. So Ive done a stairmaster for about 20 yrs now. Easy on the joints and three miles, 5 days a week. I also do weights. There is proof they are good for you as you age. I was lucky those forty years because my job was a lot of exercise as I lead each class in exercise and stretching each day 6 classes a day. Retiring 3 yrs ago I had to create my own program.

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