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    Quote Originally Posted by BenjaminO View Post
    https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...-died-overdose
    Two autopsies were completed after Floyd died in May 2020, following what video footage shows was roughly nine minutes spent pinned under Chauvin’s knee. The two reports found different causes of death, but neither ruled that Floyd died because of an overdose.
    An independent autopsy ordered by Floyd’s family ruled Floyd’s death a homicide. The two doctors who conducted the autopsy concluded that Floyd died of asphyxiation, or suffocation.
    The Hennepin County medical examiner’s office also ruled that Floyd died in a homicide. But it said the cause of his death was "cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law-enforcement subdual restraint, and neck compression," which occurred while Floyd was being "restrained."
    In other words, Floyd’s heart stopped as Chauvin restrained him
    Fentanyl kills.

    Or Did George Floyd Die of a Drug Overdose?

    Or Did George Floyd Die of a Drug Overdose?

    I don't know whether the facts outlined in this article excuse kneeling on Floyd's neck for more than 8 minutes after he was handcuffed, but they may result in a non-guilty verdict at trial.

    And if true, what does this say about the global protests that have resulted from this incident?


    Truth is the first victim in politics. Factions and passions rule. Random facts are picked as weapons, no one thinks things through.We need to understand the facts surrounding the death of George Floyd.

    Many key facts are being ignored:

    • Floyd’s blood tests showed a concentration of Fentanyl of about three times the fatal dose.
    • Fentanyl is a dangerous opioid 50 times more potent than heroin. It has rapidly become the most common cause of death among drug addicts.
    • The knee hold used by the police is not a choke hold, it does not impede breathing. It is a body restraint and is not known to have ever caused fatal injury.
    • Floyd already began to complain “I can’t breathe” a few minutes before the neck restraint was applied, while resisting the officers when they tried to get him into the squad car. Fentanyl affects the breathing, causing death by respiratory arrest.
    • It was normal procedure to restrain Floyd because he was resisting arrest, probably in conjunction with excited delirium (EXD), an episode of violent agitation brought on by a drug overdose, typically brief and ending in death from cardiopulmonary arrest.
    • The official autopsy did indeed give cardiopulmonary arrest as the cause of death, and stated that injuries he sustained during the arrest were not life-threatening.
    • Videos of the arrest do not show police beating or striking Floyd, only calmly restraining him
    • In one video Floyd is heard shouting and groaning loudly and incoherently while restrained on the ground, which appears to be a sign of the violent, shouting phase of EXD. His ability to resist four officers trying to get him into the squad car is typical of EXD cases. A short spurt of superhuman strength is a classic EXD symptom.

    Minneapolis police officers have been charged with Floyd’s murder. Yet all the evidence points to the fact that Floyd had taken a drug overdose so strong that his imminent death could hardly have been prevented. In all likelihood, the police were neither an intentional nor accidental cause of his death. These crucial facts have been completely ignored in the uproar.





    Regarding suffocation, the county medical examiner’s report found “no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation.”[3] Pressure applied to the side of the neck, as in this case, and not to the throat, has little or no effect on breathing. One can easily verify this oneself.[4]


    One difficulty is that there are public statements to the effect that the coroner ruled it a homicide, and the title of the autopsy report includes the term “neck compression.” But the words “homicide,” “restraint,” “stress” or “compression” do not appear in the 20-page body of the report. References to the neck are few — a couple minor abrasions, a contusion on the shoulder, and “The cervical spinal column is palpably stable and free of hemorrhage.” It is as if the title was chosen in regard to what was expected or proposed, but which was never found, and the title was never updated. There seems to be no support at all in the report body for the report title, which reads, “Cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression.”


    The term “cause of death” does not appear. The words “death” and “fatal” only appear in this comment in the lab report: “Signs associated with fentanyl toxicity include severe respiratory depression, seizures, hypotension, coma and death. In fatalitiesfrom fentanyl, blood concentrations are variable and have been reported as low as 3 ng/mL.” Floyd’s fentanyl level was seven times higher.


    If first impressions via the media fooled the coroner’s office, until they examined the body, we too can be fooled at first, but change our opinion according to the evidence.


    Excited Delirium Syndrome


    Read more about Excited Delirium Syndrome at the link.
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    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Do you believe what Chauvin did was entirely acceptable?
    It may not be relevant to this trial.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    It may not be relevant to this trial.
    Maybe not, but it's relevant to common decency.
    Cutesy Time is OVER

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    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Do you believe what Chauvin did was entirely acceptable?
    Did I say that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Maybe not, but it's relevant to common decency.
    I suspect Minnesota has already changed its training with regards to subduing resistive suspects.

    But my focus is this trial and the riots that will follow.
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    "In addition to Floyd’s autopsy results, it’s clear that the prosecution is going to have a difficult time proving without any reasonable doubt that the officers were responsible for his death.The body cam footage clearly shows Floyd stating “I can’t breathe” before being restrained on the ground.
    Witnesses believed Floyd was intoxicated or high, and he didn’t cooperate with the officers at the scene.
    Likely a panic attack or excited delirium due to the drugs found in his system during the autopsy.
    After watching the footage, it was clearly a chaotic situation.





    But there doesn’t appear to be any malicious intent.
    Negligence maybe, but the prosecution must prove that it caused Floyd’s death.
    The defense’s main argument is that drugs and pre-existing health conditions contributed to his death.
    And not excessive force used by Chauvin.
    Although Floyd’s toxicology reports were hidden from the public until August 2020, they indicated that he had a fatal amount of fentanyl in his system.
    Also, there were no physical findings of traumatic asphyxiation or strangulation."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sybil Ludington View Post
    Did I say that?
    Did I say you said that? Geez, you've got a real problem with simple questions. Since you won't answer I can only assume you approve of what Chauvin did.
    Cutesy Time is OVER

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    I suspect Minnesota has already changed its training with regards to subduing resistive suspects.

    But my focus is this trial and the riots that will follow.
    I seriously doubt their training instructed officers to kneel on a restrained arrestee for 10 minutes.
    Cutesy Time is OVER

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    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    I seriously doubt their training instructed officers to kneel on a restrained arrestee for 10 minutes.
    At that time the training was to use the knee to the neck. I have no specifics beyond that. The time looks bad, but has nothing to do with breathing.
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