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    There’s No Such Thing as Free Will

    Science pretty much refutes the notion of free will. Does that make it so? Is it not better to believe we have free will?

    There’s No Such Thing as Free Will

    For centuries, philosophers and theologians have almost unanimously held that civilization as we know it depends on a widespread belief in free will—and that losing this belief could be calamitous. Our codes of ethics, for example, assume that we can freely choose between right and wrong. In the Christian tradition, this is known as “moral liberty”—the capacity to discern and pursue the good, instead of merely being compelled by appetites and desires....

    Today, the assumption of free will runs through every aspect of American politics, from welfare provision to criminal law. It permeates the popular culture and underpins the American dream—the belief that anyone can make something of themselves no matter what their start in life....

    ...Many scientists say that the American physiologist Benjamin Libet demonstrated in the 1980s that we have no free will. It was already known that electrical activity builds up in a person’s brain before she, for example, moves her hand; Libet showed that this buildup occurs before the person consciously makes a decision to move. The conscious experience of deciding to act, which we usually associate with free will, appears to be an add-on, a post hoc reconstruction of events that occurs after the brain has already set the act in motion.

    ...This development raises uncomfortable—and increasingly nontheoretical—questions: If moral responsibility depends on faith in our own agency, then as belief in determinism spreads, will we become morally irresponsible? And if we increasingly see belief in free will as a delusion, what will happen to all those institutions that are based on it?

    ...It seems that when people stop believing they are free agents, they stop seeing themselves as blameworthy for their actions. Consequently, they act less responsibly and give in to their baser instincts....
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    Interesting, I met an evangelical guy who said of free will, we are born with a VCR tape of our life inside of us, so even if one thinks it is free will to make a decision, the decision has already been made for us. I did not put it in quotes, because it isn't one, but, that is the gist of his belief...I came back with, yeah, well it is my free will to not agree with you...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jigglepete View Post
    Interesting, I met an evangelical guy who said of free will, we are born with a VCR tape of our life inside of us, so even if one thinks it is free will to make a decision, the decision has already been made for us. I did not put it in quotes, because it isn't one, but, that is the gist of his belief...I came back with, yeah, well it is my free will to not agree with you...
    In the presence of an all-knowing, all-powerful god there can be no free will.
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.


    I pledge allegiance to the Constitution as written and understood by this nation's founders, and to the Republic it created, an indivisible union of sovereign States, with liberty and justice for all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jigglepete View Post
    Interesting, I met an evangelical guy who said of free will, we are born with a VCR tape of our life inside of us, so even if one thinks it is free will to make a decision, the decision has already been made for us. I did not put it in quotes, because it isn't one, but, that is the gist of his belief...I came back with, yeah, well it is my free will to not agree with you...
    It's known as the doctrine of predestination, and it's hogwash, IMO. Without free will, God's grace is rendered meaningless.
    Cutesy Time is OVER

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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    In the presence of an all-knowing, all-powerful god there can be no free will.
    Unless that God offers man free will.
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    People don't just react, they plan out actions, series of steps to take to attain a goal, sometimes cooperating with others in the planning and acting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    In the presence of an all-knowing, all-powerful god there can be no free will.
    You don't see the contradiction in your statement?
    Cutesy Time is OVER

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    The link does not work, but much like opinions of Richard Dawkins this appears to be based on limited and outdated science.

    There is evidence in Quantum Physics and potential quantum mechanical processes in the brain that allow for Free Will. This is on a deeper level that the electrical activity referenced above.



    Remember that the left progressives are very much invested in the notion that you don't have free will. Liberty becomes an illusion and they have every excuse to take over managing all of society as their utopian dream.
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    In the presence of an all-knowing, all-powerful god there can be no free will.
    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Unless that God offers man free will.
    It is not possible.
    We may have an illusion of free will. Nothing more.
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.


    I pledge allegiance to the Constitution as written and understood by this nation's founders, and to the Republic it created, an indivisible union of sovereign States, with liberty and justice for all.

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