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    Quote Originally Posted by BenjaminO View Post
    The thread is about Don.
    You were $#@!ing about the fact that I was referring to Don.
    You claimed I "choose to continue focusing on a president no longer in office"
    All I am doing is commenting in a thread that is about Don.
    That does not mean I'm focusing on that.
    Are you okay?
    You seem confused.
    Maybe it is you who is focused on a president no longer in office.

    Yeah, it shows how focused on him I am, by all the threads I start about him.........LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by goodpen View Post
    Every thing we have received requesting a donation has a place to check or uncheck if you want the donation to be per week, month or whatever. If someone does not pay attention and that is checked, it is not the person or entity responsible for their act.

    I do wonder why so many people thought they were the victims of fraud?


    “Just say the election was corrupt and leave the
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    Speaking to the Justice Department on Dec. 27, 2020. Conversation memorialized in then-acting Deputy Attorney General Richard Donoghue’s contemporaneous notes.



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    Quote Originally Posted by BenjaminO View Post
    So the republican party is scamming people?
    How nice.
    You can try to change the subject but it had nothing to do with Trump and the OP/TLG knew it. That is why he declined to even post the sources and complete story.

    But yes it was scummy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carolina73 View Post
    You can try to change the subject but it had nothing to do with Trump and the OP/TLG knew it. That is why he declined to even post the sources and complete story.
    WTF are you talking about?? I posted a link to the full story in the OP. I did not decline ANYTHING.


    This has nothing to do with Trump????? Where do you get off spewing that drivel? The entire point of this is Trump.




    But yes it was scummy.
    Yes it was scummy, and the scummy behavior didn't end with that campaign. It continued when Trump started paying back the refunds with money that was supposed to be used for legal battles (All three of them).


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    Speaking to the Justice Department on Dec. 27, 2020. Conversation memorialized in then-acting Deputy Attorney General Richard Donoghue’s contemporaneous notes.



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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLiquidGuy View Post
    I do wonder why so many people thought they were the victims of fraud?
    I’m certain there are a lot of things you wonder about.
    When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.“ - Benjamin Franklin.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLiquidGuy View Post
    FACT: Trump supporters filed 64 law suits. All were laughed out of court.

    All cases filed by the official Trump campaign lost in court. ALL of them. Just like the ~61 other cases lost by trump supporters.

    If trump thought he had a good fraud case to make, he would/should have filed MORE court cases. He didn't because he had no hard proof. PROOF. Proof is required if you want to call an election illegitimate. Proof is what your side always asks for but never provides.





    Like Bill Barr.
    Like Christopher Wray
    Like Chris Krebs
    Like Richard Pilgar (head of the DOJ’s Election Crimes branch)
    Like the courts
    Like 59 Election security and Computer Scientists
    Like the officails who recounted Georgia THREE $#@!ING times, once by hand
    Like the officials in Arizona who recounted
    Like the officials in other states that recounted.
    Like the nation’s top intelligence and law enforcement agencies
    Like...........



    You are saying that Bill Barr et al rigged the election and claimed it wasn't rigged?


    Wrong. My point is that you are surprised that a guy will historic low approval ratings lost the election. This is counter intuitive. You were shocked when Biden won. "How could this be?" you asked yourself, "After all, there was so much energy at the rallies!" But carolina, rallies are held in order to project popularity. They are meant to convince people that the candidate will win. It sure worked on you. That's what they are for. But they are not a measure of support. Approval ratings are a measure of support. Trump didn't have high approval ratings. Biden did. There is a reason why he had 7 million more votes. And its not because of rigged voting machines.






    You are forgetting Hillary won the popular vote in 2016. So her higher donation rate was an additional indicator of more general support. The party with more money doesn't necessarily win. But it is one more reason to understand that Biden winning should not have come as a shock to you. Yet it did.

    Obama? huh? Your discussion about Obama is COMPLETELY irrelevant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLiquidGuy View Post
    When a case is dismissed, it means the judge assumed all the allegation by the plaintiff were true. The judge dismisses it if he assesses that even if the allegations were true, there would be no grounds for awarding damages.


    A lawyer can check me on that.
    You are right except for jurisdictional issues like standing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLiquidGuy View Post
    Late in the campaign, when Trump's was being out spent by Biden, and in dire need of funds, he resorted to tricking (yes, tricking) his donors into recurring, higher, and more frequent donations. When the donors demanded refunds in record numbers, Trump "was then able to use tens of millions of dollars he raised after the election, under the guise of fighting his unfounded fraud claims, to help cover the refunds he owed."

    Not sure if this was his plan, but this amounted to getting more than a hundred million dollars in interest free loans while costing his supporters at a minimum, overdraft and bank fees . At a maximum, the full cost of the unintended donations.

    How he essentially scammed them...

    In March 2020 Trump offered donors the chance to make their on-line donation recurring. The text was boldface, simple and straightforward: “Make this a monthly recurring donation.” Take a look
    Months later, during the run up to Trump's birthday his campaign added an additional and pre-checked box to make an extra donation on 6/14.

    This led to a record high donation amount, and a record high number of refund requests too.In September, Trump learned that they had been out-raised by Biden by more than $150 million in August. So his campaign made a subtle tweak to the language in the first box to make it a recurring weekly, not monthly donation. both boxes pre-checked of course.


    Understandably, fraud claims started to pour in around this time with credit card companies. But that did not stop the campaign's efforts to squeeze out even more money. Their next experiment was to remove the boldface font and de-emphasize the fact that the donation would recur weekly. The disclaimer moved beneath other bold face. Again, both boxes pre-checked.

    "As the campaign’s financial problems became increasingly acute, the yellow boxes became dizzyingly more complex.

    By October there were sometimes nine lines of boldface text — with ALL-CAPS words sprinkled in — before the disclosure that there would be weekly withdrawals. As many as eight more lines of boldface text came before the second additional donation disclaimer."



    The disclaimer still in smaller non-bold.


    As a rule, all campaigns issue refunds for things such as donations over the legal limit, mistaken amounts, and duplicates. The Trump campaign was forced to issue $122 million in on line refunds for 2020. For comparison, The Biden campaign issued $21 million in refunds.

    Attachment 36613



    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/03/u...donations.html




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    same stuff the dems do. So what?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLiquidGuy View Post
    I do wonder why so many people thought they were the victims of fraud?
    buyer's remorse......and so soon
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahuyaman View Post
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