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    Quote Originally Posted by carolina73 View Post
    No it doesn't. A scum = certainly.

    Today the are arguing what George Floyd said to Chavin. The prosecutor says that he is saying that he did not take any drugs. The defense is saying that he said he took too many drugs.
    Either way it is either a denial that explains why Chauvin would not need to react to an overdose OR that confirms that Floyd admitted he overdosed.


    A knee to the back of the neck, with no bruising then has to be explained as a methid to cut of air flow. Then they have to explain why the autopsy did not say that.

    Only the families paid doctor said that and as you can always find someone to say anything you want for the right price.
    Everything you've just said has been debunked in the trial by the prosecution's witnesses. I'm sure the defense will pay someone to say the opposite.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Not manslaughter or murder 3 (Minnesota law). Murder 2 (felony murder in Minnesota) only if the jury believes Chauvin was committing a felony when Floyd died of his OD.
    Floyd didn't die of an OD. OD deaths as was testified to by many medical experts so far do not happen suddenly. There is a process and it's longer than 6 minutes. In addition Floyd's level of Fentanyl in his system does not indicate an OD is impending. As was testified the median levels for DUI arrests that involve Fentanyl is greater than the level found in Floyd's body. Those are statistics. Not opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Private Pickle View Post
    Floyd didn't die of an OD. OD deaths as was testified to by many medical experts so far do not happen suddenly. There is a process and it's longer than 6 minutes. In addition Floyd's level of Fentanyl in his system does not indicate an OD is impending. As was testified the median levels for DUI arrests that involve Fentanyl is greater than the level found in Floyd's body. Those are statistics. Not opinion.
    The amount of fentanyl in Floyd's system to include its metabolite was 3X the amount to kill. Linked to many times previously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    The amount of fentanyl in Floyd's system to include its metabolite was 3X the amount to kill. Linked to many times previously.
    And as was testified this does not equate to an OD. As a matter of fact ~3% of DUIs involving Fentanyl had over 50 ML of the drug in their system. They obviously didn't die given they were driving...

    The toxicologist, Dr. Daniel Isenschmid, works at N.M.S. Labs in Pennsylvania and testified on the ninth day of the trial against Mr. Chauvin, who has been charged with murder in Mr. Floyd’s death. Of more than 2,300 blood samples from intoxicated drivers that N.M.S. Labs tested last year — all of which were in cases where the driver survived and tested positive for fentanyl — about a quarter of the people had fentanyl levels that were the same or higher than Mr. Floyd’s, Dr. Isenschmid said.
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    Dr. Isenschmid said that last year, in cases where N.M.S. Labs tested blood from a person who died and who had taken fentanyl, the average amount that scientists found was 16.8 nanograms per milliliter, about 50 percent higher than the amount found in Mr. Floyd’s blood. But Mr. Chauvin’s lawyer, Eric J. Nelson, noted that average was among people who died of any cause and had fentanyl in their system, not just overdoses. And, he pointed out, the median level of fentanyl among that group was slightly below Mr. Floyd’s.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/08/u...icologist.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Private Pickle View Post
    Everything you've just said has been debunked in the trial by the prosecution's witnesses. I'm sure the defense will pay someone to say the opposite.

    The expert witnesses for the Prosecution in the Chauvin Trial get paid (thepoliticalforums.com)


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    I just said that but not all including those expert witnesses that were involved in the incident... Most expert witnesses get paid however; a couple refused payment in this case as was testified to. Like I said I'm sure the defense witnesses will pay for their own expert witnesses as well.
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    This fentanyl concentration, including its norfentanyl metabolite at its molecular weight, was 20.6 ng/mL That is over three times the lethal overdose, following earlier reports where the highest dose survived was 4.6 ng/mL.[2]

    [2]https://www.acsh.org/news/2017/02/02...save-you-10822 “The patients who were dead on arrival had gone into cardiac arrest due to blood concentrations of fentanyl that were much higher than what is administered therapeutically. “ Patients who died in hospital had concentrations of 9.5 ng/mL to 13 ng/mL. See also note 13. In other studies of death from heroin and morphine, there were deaths from only 100 ng/ml of morphine and “all cases with a blood concentration of 200 ng/ml and more of free morphine displayed a fatal outcome.”

    The first medical examiner said Floyd died of cardiac arrest.
    Quote Originally Posted by Private Pickle View Post
    And as was testified this does not equate to an OD. As a matter of fact ~3% of DUIs involving Fentanyl had over 50 ML of the drug in their system. They obviously didn't die given they were driving...


    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/08/u...icologist.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post

    This fentanyl concentration, including its norfentanyl metabolite at its molecular weight, was 20.6 ng/mL That is over three times the lethal overdose, following earlier reports where the highest dose survived was 4.6 ng/mL.[2]

    [2]https://www.acsh.org/news/2017/02/02...save-you-10822 “The patients who were dead on arrival had gone into cardiac arrest due to blood concentrations of fentanyl that were much higher than what is administered therapeutically. “ Patients who died in hospital had concentrations of 9.5 ng/mL to 13 ng/mL. See also note 13. In other studies of death from heroin and morphine, there were deaths from only 100 ng/ml of morphine and “all cases with a blood concentration of 200 ng/ml and more of free morphine displayed a fatal outcome.”

    The first medical examiner said Floyd died of cardiac arrest.
    You keep repeating the same thing and ignoring the testimony that was given via the trial. So far every doctor has refuted a drug overdose. We will see how the defense counters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Private Pickle View Post
    You keep repeating the same thing and ignoring the testimony that was given via the trial. So far every doctor has refuted a drug overdose. We will see how the defense counters.
    I just laid out how the defense will counter.

    And the prosecutor disagreeing with the first medical examiner doesn't look good for the prosecution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Private Pickle View Post
    I just said that but not all including those expert witnesses that were involved in the incident... Most expert witnesses get paid however; a couple refused payment in this case as was testified to. Like I said I'm sure the defense witnesses will pay for their own expert witnesses as well.

    Yes, you just said the defense will pay their experts to say the opposite.


    Both sides pay their experts. So the Prosecution will pay their experts to help make their case.
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