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    Quote Originally Posted by RMNIXON View Post
    What they are trying to do is disguise loads of directed handout spending as "infrastructure" that should otherwise be to the benefit of all.

    Remember that the justification for such Federal spending is the "general" welfare clause of the constitution. Not throwing tax dollars around to make life easier for potential Democrat Party voters at the expense of others.

    That is the kind of bribes for votes out of the public treasury that Jefferson predicted would be the ruin of the Republic.

    This is scathing: Everything Is Infrastructure

    ...Buttigieg, ever the salesman, described the so-called American Jobs Plan (AJP) as “the best chance in our lifetimes to make a generational investment in infrastructure.”

    ...In order to sell this non-infrastructure bill, Buttigieg has had to redefine the word “infrastructure.”

    Buttigieg, who was a Rhodes Scholar at Oxford, is either unfamiliar with this definition or is deliberately misleading Americans.

    On Sunday, Buttigieg was asked by CNN’s Jake Tapper if Republicans could undermine the legislation by calling it a pork barrel of left-wing social programs disguised as an infrastructure bill. Buttigieg responded with this:

    I very much believe that all of these things are infrastructure, because infrastructure is the foundation that allows us to go about our lives…. To me, it makes no sense to say, I would have been for broadband, but I’m against it because it’s not a bridge. I would have been for eldercare, but I’m against it because it’s not a highway.

    That’s a sophist’s way of saying that infrastructure means whatever he and the Biden administration want it to mean.

    Buttigieg disingenuously claims that those who do not support federal funding for eldercare in an “infrastructure” bill are somehow against helping senior citizens, when in reality they oppose being sold a bill that isn’t as advertised....
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLiquidGuy View Post
    kinda like tax cuts?
    Tax Cuts are people paying less of what they earn not taking something from other people. But you know that already, you and that jackass Socialist you admire so much.

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    The Plan has a 400 Billion Medicaid expansion for in home healthcare and other community services. That is not Infrastructure!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RMNIXON View Post
    Tax Cuts are people paying less of what they earn not taking something from other people. But you know that already, you and that jackass Socialist you admire so much.
    It doesn't matter. Unless you believe the tax rate should be zero, it's still effectively a bribe. In fact, like it or not, tax cuts are CLOSER to buying votes than anything Joe is doing with infrastructure. Tax cuts are very simply about having more money in people's pockets. Infrastructure spending doesn't work that way, unless think you are bribing people with jobs.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLiquidGuy View Post
    It doesn't matter. Unless you believe the tax rate should be zero, it's still effectively a bribe. In fact, like it or not, tax cuts are CLOSER to buying votes than anything Joe is doing with infrastructure. Tax cuts are very simply about having more money in people's pockets. Infrastructure spending doesn't work that way, unless think you are bribing people with jobs.
    What on Earth are you talking about?

    How do you bribe people by taking less from them? You can always threaten to take more, like all this arbitrary Fair Shares nonsense coming from the Democrats, but that would be extortion not a bribe.

    And nobody suggested anything close to paying zero. Taxes to fund necessary and valuable functions of the Government has not be contested since the founding. Simply throwing money at feel good nonsense is another matter. What an easy job it is to spend other peoples money and only the most responsible citizens should ever be elected to do so.

    Or did you forget we were founded in a Revolution about no taxation without representation. Not people who earn and pay as the public enemy because someone is always complaining about fair shares and has endless plans to redistribute the wealth of others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RMNIXON View Post
    What on Earth are you talking about?

    How do you bribe people by taking less from them? You can always threaten to take more, like all this arbitrary Fair Shares nonsense coming from the Democrats, but that would be extortion not a bribe.
    Have you ever wondered why tax invasion is a crime? I mean, if it’s your money why can you go to jail for not paying it? Because, it’s not your money. By law, it belongs to the government. A tax cut is giving you money that used to belong to the government. Its a pay off. I am done wxplaining this to you while you fein ignorance.
    And nobody suggested anything close to paying zero. Taxes to fund necessary and valuable functions of the Government has not be contested since the founding. Simply throwing money at feel good nonsense is another matter. What an easy job it is to spend other peoples money and only the most responsible citizens should ever be elected to do so.

    Or did you forget we were founded in a Revolution about no taxation without representation. Not people who earn and pay as the public enemy because someone is always complaining about fair shares and has endless plans to redistribute the wealth of others.
    We can debate the tax rate some other time. For now I just need to remind you that income tax is a fact of life. If you dont have to pay it then it’s just as good as someone handing you a bag of cash. Thats why it’s fair to equate tax cuts to pay offs.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RMNIXON View Post
    What on Earth are you talking about?

    How do you bribe people by taking less from them? You can always threaten to take more, like all this arbitrary Fair Shares nonsense coming from the Democrats, but that would be extortion not a bribe.

    And nobody suggested anything close to paying zero. Taxes to fund necessary and valuable functions of the Government has not be contested since the founding. Simply throwing money at feel good nonsense is another matter. What an easy job it is to spend other peoples money and only the most responsible citizens should ever be elected to do so.

    Or did you forget we were founded in a Revolution about no taxation without representation. Not people who earn and pay as the public enemy because someone is always complaining about fair shares and has endless plans to redistribute the wealth of others.
    We didn't pay personal income tax in those days. That didn't happen until some democrat got into office and realized just how wealthy the middle class were.
    The 16th A is slowly eating our wealth up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    They are merely dusting off hard left wet-dream legislation that never passed and was put on a shelf in the basement. And roll them all up into legislation that they label as infrastructure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLiquidGuy View Post
    Have you ever wondered why tax invasion is a crime?
    I am still laughing over the term, "tax invasion." (Bold added)

    Quote Originally Posted by TheLiquidGuy View Post
    I mean, if it’s your money why can you go to jail for not paying it? Because, it’s not your money. By law, it belongs to the government.
    Are you quite serious?

    We allow the government--by law, made by our representatives--to have a portion of the money that we make.

    But to claim that it actually belongs to the government--and that this government (graciously!) allows us to keep a portion of the money that we make--is surely a totalitarian view...

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    Quote Originally Posted by stjames1_53 View Post
    "...I am not an economist. But I intuitively do not believe in trickle down economics.
    I am not an economist, either. But I strongly--very strongly!--believe in using others' preferred terms. And the correct term here is supply-side economics. And it really does make sense to me. (I would imagine that there is some point of diminishing returns--where it is, precisely, I cannot quite say--at which a still lower income-tax rate would actually bring in less revenue. Up to that point, however, it seems intuitive to me that a lower tax rate would probably bring in more revenue, by encouraging more people to work--sometimes, by taking on an extra job.)

    Quote Originally Posted by stjames1_53 View Post
    As a rule, do conservatives dispute Keynesian economics?"

    Again, I make no pretense of being a trained economist; I speak only as a lay person.

    But I consider the supply-side economics of Arthur Laffer to be far superior to the economics of John Maynard Keynes.
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