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    Quote Originally Posted by IMPress Polly View Post
    As far as the rest of the world is concerned, Nazism is definitely a right wing political philosophy. It's just a label though. It's a negative one, however, and one I get labeled with from time to time by trans activists and would-be progressives. My aim here was to present gender identity as an area where the horseshoe theory may have real validity, being as, for example, both the Atomwaffen Division and the Antifa (shorthand for "anti-fascist") movement are ideologically transgenderist.
    The funny thing is fascism (Nazis) are right of the communists. Nobody else.

    But it is telling when you consider who calls Nazis right wing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    The funny thing is fascism (Nazis) are right of the communists. Nobody else.

    But it is telling when you consider who calls Nazis right wing.
    And Naziism has absolutely NOTHING to do with American conservatism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    And Naziism has absolutely NOTHING to do with American conservatism.
    Right. But it is related to the American progressive movement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IMPress Polly View Post
    As far as the rest of the world is concerned, Nazism is definitely a right wing political philosophy. It's just a label though. It's a negative one, however, and one I get labeled with from time to time by trans activists and would-be progressives. My aim here was to present gender identity as an area where the horseshoe theory may have real validity, being as, for example, both the Atomwaffen Division and the Antifa (shorthand for "anti-fascist") movement are ideologically transgenderist.
    You have a terrible habit of overthinking everything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Right. But it is related to the American progressive movement.
    Correct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IMPress Polly View Post
    As far as the rest of the world is concerned, Nazism is definitely a right wing political philosophy. It's just a label though. It's a negative one, however, and one I get labeled with from time to time by trans activists and would-be progressives. My aim here was to present gender identity as an area where the horseshoe theory may have real validity, being as, for example, both the Atomwaffen Division and the Antifa (shorthand for "anti-fascist") movement are ideologically transgenderist.
    Actually, no, it's not. In Europe, it is known to be right-wing collectivism with communism left-wing collectivism. The only real difference between nazism and communism being one sees socialism better implemented at the national level, the other the global--but note that all implementations of communism--USSR, CHina, Cuba, etc--have been national (the revolution never came). American liberal academics who favor communism have twisted things by removing collectivism and leaving only right-wing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Right. But it is related to the American progressive movement.
    See for instance Hitler, Mussolini and FDR: The Secret History of a Mutual Admiration Society.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IMPress Polly View Post
    As far as the rest of the world is concerned, Nazism is definitely a right wing political philosophy. It's just a label though. It's a negative one, however, and one I get labeled with from time to time by trans activists and would-be progressives. My aim here was to present gender identity as an area where the horseshoe theory may have real validity, being as, for example, both the Atomwaffen Division and the Antifa (shorthand for "anti-fascist") movement are ideologically transgenderist.
    National socialism was never right wing. Under all forms of leftism the individual is sacrificed to the state in one form or many forms. Any time you see state supremacy over the individual's rights you know you are dealing with statism, or more commonly, leftism.

    The further you move away from the State and toward the individual the closer you move toward the right. I prefer constitutional conservatism because only a government limited by a written constitution, adhered to and honored as the supreme law, designed to limit government while supporting and protecting individual rights is legitimate.
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.


    I pledge allegiance to the Constitution as written and understood by this nation's founders, and to the Republic it created, an indivisible union of sovereign States, with liberty and justice for all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    It wasn't an objection, just an observation. And I just took that class, so it stood out in my mind.
    ill try n work on my sentence structure.,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    The funny thing is fascism (Nazis) are right of the communists. Nobody else.

    But it is telling when you consider who calls Nazis right wing.
    Chris wrote:
    Actually, no, it's not. In Europe, it is known to be right-wing collectivism with communism left-wing collectivism. The only real difference between nazism and communism being one sees socialism better implemented at the national level, the other the global--but note that all implementations of communism--USSR, CHina, Cuba, etc--have been national (the revolution never came). American liberal academics who favor communism have twisted things by removing collectivism and leaving only right-wing.

    Your aim, I don't think anyone understands your aim. See Pater's critisim.
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    National socialism was never right wing. Under all forms of leftism the individual is sacrificed to the state in one form or many forms. Any time you see state supremacy over the individual's rights you know you are dealing with statism, or more commonly, leftism.

    The further you move away from the State and toward the individual the closer you move toward the right. I prefer constitutional conservatism because only a government limited by a written constitution, adhered to and honored as the supreme law, designed to limit government while supporting and protecting individual rights is legitimate.
    I'm not accusing either of you of being Nazis, you know? No need for this game of terminological keep-away.

    But look, the fact is that, by most people's definition, Nazism is definitely a far-right ideology owing to the severity of its racist attitudes. Left wing and right wing politics are distinguished primarily by their attitudes toward equality. A set of politics belongs to the left to the extent that it advocates equal relationships between people (and perhaps also between human beings and nature). A set of politics is right wing to the extent that it advocates for institutionalizing unequal relationships between people or exterminating "inferior" groups. That's how people generally think about it. In fact, to this end, I could also make an argument about the supposed left wing credentials of Hitler's top-down idea of "socialism", but as much is really beside the point here. The point is that is that Nazis are people who only use and twist economic populism to service extraordinarily backward, often genocidal attitudes toward people of other races. They use feudal imagery and often believe in slavery, rape, and genocide as matters of principle, etc. If you don't believe me, here's the Wikipedia article defining the term "far-right politics". It's NOT just my opinion! That's just how politicos have broadly chosen to define it.

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    And Naziism has absolutely NOTHING to do with American conservatism.
    You're right in the sense that, Representative Steve King notwithstanding, the relationship between the Republican Party and the neo-Nazi movement is essentially non-existent, and also in the sense the American neo-Nazi movement opposes American constitutionalism on principle. But it's absence from the mainstream of the conservative scene in this country doesn't mean it's not a conservative movement. It definitely is. Neo-Nazis define themselves as conservatives. Reactionaries actually is the more common term they use. That's their opinion of themselves, not my hot take.

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