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    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    It is hard to tell whether these so called 'conservative' sites are not part of a larger conspiracy to destroy American democracy or are they are just appealing to a base that hates democracy and its values. It may be both.
    'OAN marks January 6 insurrection with denial, conspiracy theories'
    https://www.mediamatters.org/one-ame...iracy-theories
    'Newsmax peddles an ‘alternate universe’ of Jan. 6 misinformation, report says'
    https://www.latimes.com/world-nation...esearchers-say
    'That Whole Not-An-Insurrection Business Really Blew Up In Fox News’ Face'
    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022...piracy-charges
    OK what are conservatives doing now to threaten democracy.

    So let's for argument's sake say that Jan 6 was a threat and that nothing happened. that was out of the ordinary and that people like me did not show up to vote only to find they had already voted? So that is 1

    I will await your list of things that the Right is doing to end our democracy and destroy our constitution. Then I will post mine. Which I will be backing up with factual documentation, and ask that you do the same.

    I would love to take your word for it but you are a liberal and they tend to lie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carolina73 View Post
    Which has become political agenda over profit.
    Just look at the Biden document deal. No real information. No investigation. Immediately dismissed as a problem. In spite of what Biden himself said about having it outside of office.

    They are a joke. Everyone knows it deep down. Whether they admit it or not.
    I am tired of everyone fighting with each other. This is all by design.

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    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    I mentioned this earlier as it is a complicated topic and one that I hope creates thoughtful reviews and responses.
    A thoughtful response will dismiss this nonsense in the first couple of lines. You should be more thoughtful yourself before posting such uninformed nonsense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    I think that when our so-called journalists become operatives they are a threat to our democracy.
    The opening of the Twitter files has exposed the Russia Hoax for what it is and the MSM and how the tech media went along with it.

    The Hoax was openly exposed - with all the names and instructions involved - a couple of days ago but as yet there's nothing on Google or, as far as I can tell, the MSM, reporting on the lies for all these years.

    Apparently 70% of Democrats still believe the Russians were involved in the Trump election.

    Was a little surprised at Diane Feinstein's deep involvement in the scam. It adds another dimension to her Chinese Spy/Chauffeur 20 year relationship
    Last edited by Carl Young; 01-13-2023 at 12:38 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    Most of the information presented by Fox OAN and Newsmax pretends to be news but is opinion. Opinion that appeals to a segment of society that already agrees. Opinionated presentation targets divisive issues rather than reporting or analysis. It is an internal political correctness that sees news or politics through an agreed upon lenses that is often anti-democratic, anti-science, and even anti-intelligence. These media sources pretend to be conservative they are not. They conserve nothing, they posture, dismiss, and divide.

    It is an irony that Fox has become worse in an attempt to keep OAN and Newsmax at bay. Viewers are money. Modern American so called Conservative media now vies for the ridiculous if it feeds a bias, a hate, or criticizes. Add to this the death of local media along with the repeal of the Fairness Doctrine, Citizen's United, and the goose is cooked. Dark Money now rules.

    Add online media sources that appear in searches and news feeds. Many of these are dark money supported sites pretending to be news when they are agitprop. Political power and corporate power do not like democracy. Democracy too often muddies the water, a citizen sees the world differently than a government bureaucrat or a profit seeking corporate officer. How does that corporation control democracy, it controls the information media presents and it targets information based on the social profiles of its viewers, often white and rural. Dog whistles dominate.

    Democratic government is the favorite bogeyman of autocratic government. Lesser players in this game of deception include Breitbart, Townhall, and a host of sites that can be found in Internet searches - questionable sources are covered in links below. Online trolls have also proliferated in online social media. Some even gravitate to conspiracy sites or ideas of secession. This divisiveness takes many forms such as private schools, religious separation, and isolated rural community settings. Public education is too democratic, too open. How for instance could a pandemic become something other than a pandemic. Gaslighting from Fox ET AL have created a world of doubt. America leads the world in Covid-19 deaths, misinformation has consequences.

    So how do we understand the topic question when media is opinion, distortion, dog whistles, targeted, oppositional, using loaded words, words meant as pejorative or audience specific? Content without thought, words like 'cancel' 'woke' 'leftist' 'liberal' 'socialist' 'border' 'trans' 'guns' etcetera. What do they really mean outside the club? Their appeal is to tribe, to emotion, not content or analysis. Misinformation and distortion weaken a nation's political conversation. Ask always who benefits, what is its purpose, and is the information news or opinion. Seek sources that explain without always pointing fingers.

    Daniel Pipes wrote. "First, democracy is more than holding elections; it requires the development of civil society, meaning such complex and counter intuitive institutions as the rule of law, an independent judiciary, multiple political parties, minority rights, voluntary associations, freedom of expression, movement, and assembly. Democracy is a learned habit, not an instinctive one, that requires deep attitudinal changes such as a culture of restraint, a commonality of values, a respect for differences of view, the concept of loyal opposition, and a sense of civic responsibility."

    'The Five Biggest Threats Our Democracy Faces'

    https://www.brennancenter.org/our-wo...emocracy-faces

    And the Courts/SCOTUS threat:

    https://www.theguardian.com/books/20...mp-republicans

    Information Sources to check:

    https://iffy.news/
    https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/fake-news/
    http://politics.flackcheck.org/patterns-of-deception/

    One online news site I recommend: https://www.theguardian.com/us

    "Let us wage a moral and political war against the billionaires and corporate leaders, on Wall Street and elsewhere, whose policies and greed are destroying the middle class of America." Bernie Sanders
    So basically: "No I'm not but you are" LOL

    They are merely a threat to the liberal monomedia. Media shapes opinion these days, apparently just reporting news was boring, less profitable and made it harder to stand out.
    Perhaps when it's all said and done the advent of 24/7 news will be the virus that kills America

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    Post Truth Era - From Unherd dot com

    Whenever I watch Fox OAN or Newsmax reality takes on all sort of twists and you wonder how can this be called News. What is News. Fox claims to be news but their focus is simply criticizing President Biden at every turn and then some. Occasionally one of the news persons will look puzzled as if reality snuck in but that only shows for a moment as they move on. So who to blame, one answer and retort below.

    'How Bill Clinton created post-truth America'

    "Clinton’s dark genius was to make these emotional connections with people and then exploit them. Trump lied all the time, but we came to expect that. Trump was emotionally illiterate. No one really believed him. Bill, however, was so persuasive that the public realised they could no longer tell the difference between truth and lies. And that bred a kind of political cynicism that has come to characterise our engagement with the public sphere. This week is the 25th anniversary of the post-truth era, Clinton being its patron saint." Giles Fraser

    https://unherd.com/2023/01/how-bill-...truth-america/

    Reply: "The aide said that guys like me were 'in what we call the reality-based community', which he defined as people who 'believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality'. I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. 'That's not the way the world really works any more,’ he continued. 'We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality judiciously as you will — we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out." Paddy Taylor see reply
    Last edited by midcan5; 01-30-2023 at 09:25 AM.
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    The legacy media is post-truth and post-journalism.
    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    Post Truth Era - From Unherd dot com

    Whenever I watch Fox OAN or Newsmax reality takes on all sort of twists and you wonder how can this be called News. What is News. Fox claims to be news but their focus is simply criticizing President Biden at every turn and then some. Occasionally one of the news persons will look puzzled as if reality snuck in but that only shows for a moment as they move on. So who to blame, one answer and retort below.

    'How Bill Clinton created post-truth America'

    "Clinton’s dark genius was to make these emotional connections with people and then exploit them. Trump lied all the time, but we came to expect that. Trump was emotionally illiterate. No one really believed him. Bill, however, was so persuasive that the public realised they could no longer tell the difference between truth and lies. And that bred a kind of political cynicism that has come to characterise our engagement with the public sphere. This week is the 25th anniversary of the post-truth era, Clinton being its patron saint." Giles Fraser

    https://unherd.com/2023/01/how-bill-...truth-america/

    Reply: "The aide said that guys like me were 'in what we call the reality-based community', which he defined as people who 'believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality'. I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. 'That's not the way the world really works any more,’ he continued. 'We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality judiciously as you will — we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out." Paddy Taylor see reply
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    I find his comments very strange, because on one point he is correct there is not really a News only outlet, But pretending that the left-wing media propaganda sources are somehow more reliable than the right with news media propaganda outlets? Well, that is delusional.

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    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    Post Truth Era - From Unherd dot com

    Whenever I watch Fox OAN or Newsmax reality takes on all sort of twists and you wonder how can this be called News. What is News. Fox claims to be news but their focus is simply criticizing President Biden at every turn and then some. Occasionally one of the news persons will look puzzled as if reality snuck in but that only shows for a moment as they move on. So who to blame, one answer and retort below.

    'How Bill Clinton created post-truth America'

    "Clinton’s dark genius was to make these emotional connections with people and then exploit them. Trump lied all the time, but we came to expect that. Trump was emotionally illiterate. No one really believed him. Bill, however, was so persuasive that the public realised they could no longer tell the difference between truth and lies. And that bred a kind of political cynicism that has come to characterise our engagement with the public sphere. This week is the 25th anniversary of the post-truth era, Clinton being its patron saint." Giles Fraser

    https://unherd.com/2023/01/how-bill-...truth-america/

    Reply: "The aide said that guys like me were 'in what we call the reality-based community', which he defined as people who 'believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality'. I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. 'That's not the way the world really works any more,’ he continued. 'We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality judiciously as you will — we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out." Paddy Taylor see reply
    Your confirmation bias is showing.

    The biggest threat to democracy is the lefts war on he 1st amendment.
    When Donald Trump said to protest “peacefully”, he meant violence.

    When he told protesters to “go home”, he meant stay for an insurrection.

    And when he told Brad Raffensperger to implement “whatever the correct legal remedy is”, he meant fraud.

    War is peace.

    Freedom is slavery.

    Ignorance is strength.

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    Yesterday I had to turn to Fox OAN Newsmax to check out how they were praising Pres Joe Biden best job stats in fifty years. But what are they showing? A Chinese balloon and making all sort of ridiculous comments as is their usual fair. One wonders if they have ever used Google maps or thought of all the satellites circling the earth? No, of course not, they are propaganda tools for the easily played. Too funny.



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