Are Newsmax, OANN, and Fox Media threats to American Democracy?

[gamewell45]

The news media; regardless of whether or not it is left wing or right wing is all about money regardless of whether or not it is commentary. You don't necessarily make profits by telling the truth, rather by telling people what they want to hear.

[carolina73]

The news media; regardless of whether or not it is left wing or right wing is all about money regardless of whether or not it is commentary. You don't necessarily make profits by telling the truth, rather by telling people what they want to hear.

It has gone beyond that now. The left wing news is not making money in the USA. FOX is projected to make more than the domestic news divisions of CNN, MSNBC and the three networks combined in 2021. Newsmax is estimated to make 350 million this year and that beats CNN and MSNBC hands down.

Do it is not about profits anymore of the news divisions. This is about their corporate parents selling of American wealth for global profits. Big tech as a supplier of news, has more ex-USA users than domestic. That is why they are willing to sell us out so fast.
CNN International revenues are still the king of money makers.

[texan]

The news media; regardless of whether or not it is left wing or right wing is all about money regardless of whether or not it is commentary. You don't necessarily make profits by telling the truth, rather by telling people what they want to hear.

There are some serious news people that do a good job. The "news media" you are more referring to are op-ed opinion people. They have become worthless on every network.

[texan]

It has gone beyond that now. The left wing news is not making money in the USA. FOX is projected to make more than the domestic news divisions of CNN, MSNBC and the three networks combined in 2021. Newsmax is estimated to make 350 million this year and that beats CNN and MSNBC hands down.

Do it is not about profits anymore of the news divisions. This is about their corporate parents selling of American wealth for global profits. Big tech as a supplier of news, has more ex-USA users than domestic. That is why they are willing to sell us out so fast.
CNN International revenues are still the king of money makers.

The owners of these outlets are now the big businesses. They report what they want. Whatever helps them. Past that they don't care.

[carolina73]

The owners of these outlets are now the big businesses. They report what they want. Whatever helps them. Past that they don't care.

Which has become political agenda over profit.

[RMNIXON]

The news media; regardless of whether or not it is left wing or right wing is all about money regardless of whether or not it is commentary. You don't necessarily make profits by telling the truth, rather by telling people what they want to hear.

Making a profit in news broadcasting has been going on for decades and has never been about micromanagement of content and cancel culture until recently.

We all know who got that started so lets not blame the free market.

[gamewell45]

Making a profit in news broadcasting has been going on for decades and has never been about micromanagement of content and cancel culture until recently.

We all know who got that started so lets not blame the free market.

Up until the mid-1980's all three alphabet news organizations were money losers. Once they were sold to other entities is when their philosophy changed. Newcomers into the ring (CNN, Fox, etc) had different philosophies as well. Micromanagement has been going on for a little over 35 years now, just that it's getting worse but this is what the shareholders want.

Face it, we live in a capitalistic society and making a profit is paramount over objective reporting. You want to point fingers, point them at the system.

[midcan5]

Replies lacked content. One exception dark money, here I agree, dark money is on both republican and democratic sides of the partisan fence. Its impact would depend on distribution and target. I'm not sure of it overall impact this election. One reason was the situation with Covid. Another is many republicans I know who never voted for a democrat did this time. Trump was obvious bad news for many voters, that fact was not 'dark' it was right in front of you. [See Hiding in Plain Sight, challenge yourself for a change]

I don't know what a left wing bias is, like most replies it is only words, and if you switch the text around a bit it is what you guys call 'cancel' culture. You cancel what you don't like. When I think of Conservatism today, I don't see it. I see nationalism, intolerance, white supremacists, even religion today is nationalistic as it wants government to control a woman's life.

I'll leave it there for now quoting a Conservative who thinks and a quote at bottom on nationalism.

"It was our creed and the belief system that was personified and lived in a culture, our institutions of civil societies and our democratic way of government that made America the greatest nation in the history of all nations. In a word, it was our belief in ourselves as a good and free people. That's what made American exceptional. That's what made us a free country. And it continues to do so today."

https://www.heritage.org/conservatis...em-nationalism

"... there is a huge difference between the historical phenomena of nationalism and respect for the sovereignty of a democratic nation-state. Nationalism celebrates cultural and even ethnic differences of a people, regardless of the form of government. The democratic nation-state, on the other hand, grounds its legitimacy and its sovereignty in democratic governance."

Good words there, maybe OAN Fox and Newsmax should listen.


"The president [Trump] is a nationalist, which is not at all the same thing as a patriot. A nationalist encourages us to be our worst, and then tells us that we are the best. A nationalist, 'although endlessly brooding on power, victory, defeat, revenge,' wrote Orwell, tends to be 'uninterested in what happens in the real world.' Nationalism is relativist, since the only truth is the resentment we feel when we contemplate others. As the novelist Danilo Kiš put it, nationalism 'has no universal values, aesthetic or ethical.' A patriot, by contrast, wants the nation to live up to its ideals, which means asking us to be our best selves. A patriot must be concerned with the real world, which is the only place where his country can be loved and sustained. A patriot has universal values, standards by which he judges his nation, always wishing it well—and wishing that it would do better." Timothy Snyder 'On Tyranny'

[Peter1469]

Replies lacked content. One exception dark money, here I agree, dark money is on both republican and democratic sides of the partisan fence. Its impact would depend on distribution and target. I'm not sure of it overall impact this election. One reason was the situation with Covid. Another is many republicans I know who never voted for a democrat did this time. Trump was obvious bad news for many voters, that fact was not 'dark' it was right in front of you. [See Hiding in Plain Sight, challenge yourself for a change]

I don't know what a left wing bias is, like most replies it is only words, and if you switch the text around a bit it is what you guys call 'cancel' culture. You cancel what you don't like. When I think of Conservatism today, I don't see it. I see nationalism, intolerance, white supremacists, even religion today is nationalistic as it wants government to control a woman's life.

I'll leave it there for now quoting a Conservative who thinks and a quote at bottom on nationalism.

"It was our creed and the belief system that was personified and lived in a culture, our institutions of civil societies and our democratic way of government that made America the greatest nation in the history of all nations. In a word, it was our belief in ourselves as a good and free people. That's what made American exceptional. That's what made us a free country. And it continues to do so today."

https://www.heritage.org/conservatis...em-nationalism

"... there is a huge difference between the historical phenomena of nationalism and respect for the sovereignty of a democratic nation-state. Nationalism celebrates cultural and even ethnic differences of a people, regardless of the form of government. The democratic nation-state, on the other hand, grounds its legitimacy and its sovereignty in democratic governance."

Good words there, maybe OAN Fox and Newsmax should listen.


"The president [Trump] is a nationalist, which is not at all the same thing as a patriot. A nationalist encourages us to be our worst, and then tells us that we are the best. A nationalist, 'although endlessly brooding on power, victory, defeat, revenge,' wrote Orwell, tends to be 'uninterested in what happens in the real world.' Nationalism is relativist, since the only truth is the resentment we feel when we contemplate others. As the novelist Danilo Kiš put it, nationalism 'has no universal values, aesthetic or ethical.' A patriot, by contrast, wants the nation to live up to its ideals, which means asking us to be our best selves. A patriot must be concerned with the real world, which is the only place where his country can be loved and sustained. A patriot has universal values, standards by which he judges his nation, always wishing it well—and wishing that it would do better." Timothy Snyder 'On Tyranny'

You should stop using that quote. It is not correct.

[hanger4]

Replies lacked content. One exception dark money, here I agree, dark money is on both republican and democratic sides of the partisan fence. Its impact would depend on distribution and target. I'm not sure of it overall impact this election. One reason was the situation with Covid. Another is many republicans I know who never voted for a democrat did this time. Trump was obvious bad news for many voters, that fact was not 'dark' it was right in front of you. [See Hiding in Plain Sight, challenge yourself for a change]

I don't know what a left wing bias is, like most replies it is only words, and if you switch the text around a bit it is what you guys call 'cancel' culture. You cancel what you don't like. When I think of Conservatism today, I don't see it. I see nationalism, intolerance, white supremacists, even religion today is nationalistic as it wants government to control a woman's life.

I'll leave it there for now quoting a Conservative who thinks and a quote at bottom on nationalism.

"It was our creed and the belief system that was personified and lived in a culture, our institutions of civil societies and our democratic way of government that made America the greatest nation in the history of all nations. In a word, it was our belief in ourselves as a good and free people. That's what made American exceptional. That's what made us a free country. And it continues to do so today."

https://www.heritage.org/conservatis...em-nationalism

"... there is a huge difference between the historical phenomena of nationalism and respect for the sovereignty of a democratic nation-state. Nationalism celebrates cultural and even ethnic differences of a people, regardless of the form of government. The democratic nation-state, on the other hand, grounds its legitimacy and its sovereignty in democratic governance."

Good words there, maybe OAN Fox and Newsmax should listen.


"The president [Trump] is a nationalist, which is not at all the same thing as a patriot. A nationalist encourages us to be our worst, and then tells us that we are the best. A nationalist, 'although endlessly brooding on power, victory, defeat, revenge,' wrote Orwell, tends to be 'uninterested in what happens in the real world.' Nationalism is relativist, since the only truth is the resentment we feel when we contemplate others. As the novelist Danilo Kiš put it, nationalism 'has no universal values, aesthetic or ethical.' A patriot, by contrast, wants the nation to live up to its ideals, which means asking us to be our best selves. A patriot must be concerned with the real world, which is the only place where his country can be loved and sustained. A patriot has universal values, standards by which he judges his nation, always wishing it well—and wishing that it would do better." Timothy Snyder 'On Tyranny'

*Replies lacked content*

There is plenty of content, content which you willfully ignore because it allays your narrative.

"dark money" information/distribution is readily available;

https://www.opensecrets.org/news/202...electioncycle/

I suspect you willfully ignore that also because it allays your narrative.