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    Would the same be true in reverse?

    The Derek Chauvin trial, of course, is not yet over; but I believe that he is probably guilty of murder--and will very likely be convicted.

    But one has to wonder: If the opposite were the case--if a black policeman had knelt upon a white suspect's neck for around nine minutes, resulting in his death--would there be the same intensity of outrage that we are now seeing?

    Or does this current situation just fit some pre-determined narrative: viz., that this country is infected with "systemic racism"--and has been from the beginning--which would just not work in reverse?

    It is probably something to think about...

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    I think there is plenty of reasonable doubt for a not guilty verdict.
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    We would not have the same intensity in the media.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pjohns View Post
    The Derek Chauvin trial, of course, is not yet over; but I believe that he is probably guilty of murder--and will very likely be convicted.

    But one has to wonder: If the opposite were the case--if a black policeman had knelt upon a white suspect's neck for around nine minutes, resulting in his death--would there be the same intensity of outrage that we are now seeing?

    Or does this current situation just fit some pre-determined narrative: viz., that this country is infected with "systemic racism"--and has been from the beginning--which would just not work in reverse?

    It is probably something to think about...


    He's guilty but IMO not Murder one. He was on video. Doesn't much matter as tto be the man died during commission of a felony assault against him and Chauvin should get life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    He's guilty but IMO not Murder one.
    Agreed.

    It is my understanding that first-degree murder means one has planned, from the beginning, to kill someone. And I do not believe that this is the case here.

    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    Chauvin should get life.
    Again, agreed.

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    The radicalized blacks like BLM are no friend to the black policeman. At the same time they see them as brainwashed Victims or Uncle Tom's who sold out.

    And if the so called victim was white they would not care, not the left media. It would have been just another local story that is gone in a matter of days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pjohns View Post
    Agreed. It is my understanding that first-degree murder means one has planned, from the beginning, to kill someone. And I do not believe that this is the case here. Again, agreed.
    I don't do criminal work so I am not up on it. However, if it is not M1, how does he get life?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pjohns View Post
    If the opposite were the case--if a black policeman had knelt upon a white suspect's neck for around nine minutes, resulting in his death--would there be the same intensity of outrage that we are now seeing?
    We all know there wouldn't be the same outrage - the news story wouldn't even be a blip. The real question is would the cop be facing murder charges? I'm guessing not, it's a political charge IMO.

    As for murder one, I don't believe that's one of the charges. IIRC the jury will be deliberating on murder two, three, or manslaughter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    He's guilty but IMO not Murder one. He was on video. Doesn't much matter as tto be the man died during commission of a felony assault against him and Chauvin should get life.
    He isn't charged with murder 1.

    He was charged with murder 2, 3 and manslaughter. Murder 2 and 3 are different in Minnesota law compared to most other states as I have described in other threads on the trial.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    I don't do criminal work so I am not up on it. However, if it is not M1, how does he get life?

    Doesn't murder two sometimes get you lfe in some states. I know I have seen shows supposedly about real life events where this happens. But maybe they are pleas to avoid death penalty?

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