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    A historic exercise shows how Navy SEALs will keep aircraft carriers in a high-end fi

    The return to Great Power competition is forcing the Navy to reintegrate Seals into the Big Navy. They are going to be spending more time on ships and operating on them and from them in support of naval operations.


    A historic exercise shows how Navy SEALs will keep aircraft carriers in a high-end fight

    In February, the Dwight D. Eisenhower Carrier Strike Group got to work with Naval Special Warfare in a "historic" and pioneering exercise.

    During the composite unit training exercise, about 100 SEALs and Special Warfare Combatant-Craft Crewmen (SWCC) from SEAL Team 10 and Special Boat Team 20 trained alongside conventional Navy forces.


    The training was a glimpse of how the Navy could operate in a potential conflict with China in the Indo-Pacific region.


    Composite unit training exercise
    Big Navy and special operations

    Naval Special Warfare is composed of the SEAL Teams and the Special Boat Teams.


    Navy SEALs primarily conduct special reconnaissance and direct-action operations, such as raids and ambushes. The Special Warfare Combatant-Craft Crewmen (SWCC) who make up the Boat Teams specialize in over-the-beach direct-action operations, coastal reconnaissance, and Visit, Board, Search, and Seizure (VBSS) missions.


    Historically, Naval Special Warfare's integration with the Navy's conventional forces, sometimes called Big Navy, has been varied, dependent on the commanders in charge at the time and overall operational demands.


    Before the September 11 terrorist attacks, SEAL platoons would embark on Navy ships for six-month rotations called "Arc Light." During these deployments, SEALs would be on standby to conduct VBSS operations against a suspect or enemy ships or to react to an emergency, such as the evacuating a US Embassy or getting Americans and other civilians out of a hotspot.


    "I wouldn't say often, but we did work with them," a former SWCC operator said of the integration.
    The South China Sea is packed with small man-made islands that the Chinese military has been fortifying for years to back up Beijing's claims over the sea, which have been widely rejected. This is the ideal operational environment for special-operations units.

    "I won't be surprised if SEALs and SWCCs start riding around on Navy ships in theater. It certainly won't be a morale booster, but it may be what's required in this new era of great-power competition," the former SWCC operator said.


    The Chinese military could put more than 750 vessels of various sizes and capabilities to sea in the event of conflict. Consequently, the US military can't waste resources, meaning it will need increased cooperation between different elements of a service as well as among the services themselves.
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    Since the Chinese are so honest we have to question what part of their fleet really has any military value. How many of them would be of any value in warfare other than to create distractions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by carolina73 View Post
    Since the Chinese are so honest we have to question what part of their fleet really has any military value. How many of them would be of any value in warfare other than to create distractions?
    I don't know.

    You also have to consider they don't have very experienced crews, and they don't have combat experience.
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    Good.

    Keep the SEALs on the boats and let them do what they were designed to do and let the guys who are actually good at it do the fighting on the ground.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carolina73 View Post
    Since the Chinese are so honest we have to question what part of their fleet really has any military value. How many of them would be of any value in warfare other than to create distractions?
    The Chinese are very good at putting on a show like the Soviets. We won't know how effective anything is until we go at them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carolina73 View Post
    Since the Chinese are so honest we have to question what part of their fleet really has any military value. How many of them would be of any value in warfare other than to create distractions?
    We don't rely solely on the Chinese in our estimations of their capabilities.

    I believe, right now, today, the Chinese are capable of denying American access to all of the China Seas. If they choose to do so the distraction might include sinking one or more aircraft carriers.
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RMNIXON View Post
    The Chinese are very good at putting on a show like the Soviets. We won't know how effective anything is until we go at them.
    The Soviets almost singlehandedly defeated Nazi German on the Eastern Front. Without them the allies would have lost WWII.
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    The Soviets almost singlehandedly defeated Nazi German on the Eastern Front. Without them the allies would have lost WWII.
    I don't buy that for a second.

    Without the Western Allies, they would be speaking German in Moscow right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cletus View Post
    I don't buy that for a second.

    Without the Western Allies, they would be speaking German in Moscow right now.
    We provided logistical support. The Soviets did the fighting.
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.


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    They did the fighting on the Eastern Front.

    The Western Allies did the fighting on the Western European Front, Africa, the Pacific... If Germany had been able to commit the forces opposing the Western Allies against the Soviets, the outcome would have been very different.

    The Soviets certainly played a key role in defeating the Nazi war machine, but all the revisionist talk about them "almost singlehandedly" defeating the Germans is nonsense.

    Without the Lend Lease Program, they would not have stood a snowball's chance in Hell.
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