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    Quote Originally Posted by Cletus View Post
    As are a number of the theists.
    Undoubtedly. Our members hold irrational views on a number of topics but believing in God (any God) isn't one of them. Simple atheism isn't one of them either. Not believing in God but still latching on to "unalienable rights" like some kind of crutch is irrational. So is telling the tPF community how stupid religion is and then proceeding to give them a lecture on morality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pjohns View Post
    Have others noticed how few atheists there are nowadays (in the traditional sense of the term), and how many rabid anti-theists there are?

    The latter are not simply unbelievers; they are people who utterly despise religion in general (and especially Christianity, it would seem).

    Any thoughts here?
    I'm an atheist and I don't care what you believe, but I do get annoyed at the omnipresent references to god, Jesus, heaven, etc. that pervade our culture. I don't think that believers in god realize how pervasive religious messaging and references are in modern American culture. If there was even a quarter to as many references to there being no such thing as god, believers would freak out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardMZhlubb View Post
    I'm an atheist and I don't care what you believe, but I do get annoyed at the omnipresent references to god, Jesus, heaven, etc. that pervade our culture. I don't think that believers in god realize how pervasive religious messaging and references are in modern American culture. If there was even a quarter to as many references to there being no such thing as god, believers would freak out.
    One would expect "omnipresent" references to God etc since Christianity played such a large part in creating Western Culture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    Undoubtedly. Our members hold irrational views on a number of topics but believing in God (any God) isn't one of them. Simple atheism isn't one of them either. Not believing in God but still latching on to "unalienable rights" like some kind of crutch is irrational. So is telling the tPF community how stupid religion is and then proceeding to give them a lecture on morality.
    We have rights simply because we live. No gods are required.
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardMZhlubb View Post
    I'm an atheist and I don't care what you believe, but I do get annoyed at the omnipresent references to god, Jesus, heaven, etc. that pervade our culture. I don't think that believers in god realize how pervasive religious messaging and references are in modern American culture. If there was even a quarter to as many references to there being no such thing as god, believers would freak out.
    I, on the other hand, have no problem with that at all.
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.


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    Quote Originally Posted by pjohns View Post
    Have others noticed how few atheists there are nowadays (in the traditional sense of the term), and how many rabid anti-theists there are?

    The latter are not simply unbelievers; they are people who utterly despise religion in general (and especially Christianity, it would seem).

    Any thoughts here?
    I think it's politics that is doing the job on those who consider themselves anti theists. Though I am certainly not against church going, the ranks of the far right along with types like Pat Robertson have permeated conservative politics and put the church right in the middle of it all.
    We also have examples of backwards ministers burning a Quran, the consistent attacks on abortion, not to mention the Jesus flags that were being carried on Jan 6th's insurrection in D.C.

    I've seen this coming on since Jerry Falwell and Ralph Reed were given voice during the Reagan era. It was never an issue until then. For the record I'm now fond of saying that what happened to the south was politics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    I would argue there's no rational argument for God's existence/non-existence, you either accept one or the other on faith, if you will, the same as you might accept the premises of the scientific method. From that faith, if you will, both the atheist and theist can argue completely rationally--but not anti-theists.
    I think that anti-theists are really more anti theocracy and given the behavior and rhetoric of the radical evangelicals (Jihadists), I think that what are called anti-theists can argue their perspective quite rationally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    Undoubtedly. Our members hold irrational views on a number of topics but believing in God (any God) isn't one of them. Simple atheism isn't one of them either. Not believing in God but still latching on to "unalienable rights" like some kind of crutch is irrational. So is telling the tPF community how stupid religion is and then proceeding to give them a lecture on morality.
    I don't see anything irrational about the concept of unalienable rights without an associated belief in a deity. Nor do I see any reason why morality needs to be tied to belief in a deity.
    “Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in pursuit of justice is no virtue.” - Barry Goldwater

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardMZhlubb View Post
    I'm an atheist and I don't care what you believe, but I do get annoyed at the omnipresent references to god, Jesus, heaven, etc. that pervade our culture. I don't think that believers in god realize how pervasive religious messaging and references are in modern American culture. If there was even a quarter to as many references to there being no such thing as god, believers would freak out.
    Why do those things bother you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    One would expect "omnipresent" references to God etc since Christianity played such a large part in creating Western Culture.
    Well said. I think the point is that in the US there's a movement of theists who want to take it all back to 16th century, so in my view Richard makes a good point.

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