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    America Did Not Invent Slavery — It Ended Slavery

    This is an inconvenient fact for CRT pushers.

    The late Walter E. Williams, the renowned economics professor at George Mason University, expressed similar sentiments in May 2019. Calling such false assertions as “America created slavery” a “favorite leftist tool,” Williams wrote, “Slavery is by no means peculiar, odd, unusual or unique to the U.S.”
    Slavery was specifically declared illegal in Georgia when it became a colony in 1733, only to be legalized in 1750 by the king of England when it became a royal colony. When Vermont declared itself an independent republic in 1777, it abolished slavery at the same time. (Vermont was made the 14th state in 1791). Other states that ended slavery early included Pennsylvania in 1780; New Hampshire and Massachusetts in 1783; Connecticut and Rhode Island in 1784; New York in 1799; and New Jersey in 1804.
    Abolition in America pre-dated almost the entire world. While Peter the Great abolished outright slavery in Russia in 1723, he converted Russians into serfs, and it was not until 1861 that serfdom finally ended in Russia. Mexico abolished slavery in 1829. France initially abolished slavery in 1794, but it was reestablished by Napoleon Bonaparte in 1802, before being permanently ended in the French colonies in 1848
    https://thenewamerican.com/magazine/...9/page/125191/
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    New Jersey did not really abolish slavery until 1866. There were slaves living in NJ at the end of the war. Just a historical tidbit.

    It's also highly questionable what role slavery played in wealth creation. Slavery retarded economic development to a significant extent. The very different outcomes of the Latin American slave holdings states (e.g. Brazil, Cuba, Venezuela) compared to the US testify to it.
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    Slavery forbidden in the Northwest Territory. Slavery and involuntary servitude were forbidden in the Northwest Territory, thereby making the Ohio River a natural dividing line between the free and slave states of the country. Unanimous consent from the states was required for the Northwest Ordinance to be passed.
    The Northwest Ordinance of 1787 and ... - American History USA


    The Founders were always moving forward on getting rid of Slavery. From the Articles of Confederation to well past the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.
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    To a greater extent Western Civilization and their notions of Individual Liberty ended Slavery. The practice was centuries old!

    But what can you do with willful ignorance these days?

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    LYSANDER SPOONER - NO TREASON - 1867

    On the part of the North, the war was carried on, not to liberate the slaves, but by a government that had always perverted and violated the Constitution, to keep the slaves in bondage; and was still willing to do so, if the slaveholders could be thereby induced to stay in the Union.

    The principle, on which the war was waged by the North, was simply this: That men may rightfully be compelled to submit to, and support, a government that they do not want; and that resistance, on their part, makes them traitors and criminals.

    No principle, that is possible to be named, can be more self-evidently false than this; or more self-evidently fatal to all political freedom. Yet it triumphed in the field, and is now assumed to be established. If it be really established, the number of slaves, instead of having been diminished by the war, has been greatly increased; for a man, thus subjected to a government that he does not want, is a slave. And there is no difference, in principle—but only in degree—between political and chattel slavery. The former, no less than the latter, denies a man’s ownership of himself and the products of his labor; and [iv] asserts that other men may own him, and dispose of him and his property, for their uses, and at their pleasure.

    Previous to the war, there were some grounds for saying that—in theory, at least, if not in practice—our government was a free one; that it rested on consent. But nothing of that kind can be said now, if the principle on which the war was carried on by the North, is irrevocably established.

    If that principle be not the principle of the Constitution, the fact should be known. If it be the principle of the Constitution, the Constitution itself should be at once overthrown.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    New Jersey did not really abolish slavery until 1866. There were slaves living in NJ at the end of the war. Just a historical tidbit.

    It's also highly questionable what role slavery played in wealth creation. Slavery retarded economic development to a significant extent. The very different outcomes of the Latin American slave holdings states (e.g. Brazil, Cuba, Venezuela) compared to the US testify to it.
    Makes sense, industrialization/manufacturing drove capitalism, the South remained largely agricultural until the rusting of the North beginning in the 1980s.

    (The USSR and China also failed as socialist countries because as Marx saw it socialism requires first industrialization, the rise and collapse of capitalism.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by FindersKeepers View Post
    While Peter the Great abolished outright slavery in Russia in 1723, he converted Russians into serfs, and it was not until 1861 that serfdom finally ended in Russia. Mexico abolished slavery in 1829. France initially abolished slavery in 1794, but it was reestablished by Napoleon Bonaparte in 1802, before being permanently ended in the French colonies in 1848
    Serfdom was a mild form of slavery:

    1) About 55% of population in Russia and even more in Poland and Hungary were serfs.

    2) Serfs had the same legal status as slaves in USA.

    3) Generally serfs had much lower work obligation then slaves. About 40% of serfs were under obrok -- tax obligation of about 30%. About 50% of serfs were on barshina -- labor obligation of about 40% work time. About 10% of serfs were domestic servants -- de facto slaves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FindersKeepers View Post
    This is an inconvenient fact for CRT pushers.







    https://thenewamerican.com/magazine/...9/page/125191/
    So, when did you learn that slavery was older than the US; just now? or had you forgotten?

    If there are things that you don't like about CRT or the 1619 project, why don't you go after those issues?

    THIS country ended slavery in just 89 years: one healthy person's life time. The fight was not against slavery perse, but industry. THAT was why slavery as allowed under our constitution and lasted as long as it did prior to DOI.

    The people saying that we invented it are stupid and not very well informed and they're trying to spin the issue for educational expediency. They are right that it never should have existed under our ideal.
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    Slavery still exists in this county. They just dress it up and refer to it as "Public Accommodation".
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    Quote Originally Posted by CCitizen View Post
    Serfdom was a mild form of slavery:

    1) About 55% of population in Russia and even more in Poland and Hungary were serfs.

    2) Serfs had the same legal status as slaves in USA.

    3) Generally serfs had much lower work obligation then slaves. About 40% of serfs were under obrok -- tax obligation of about 30%. About 50% of serfs were on barshina -- labor obligation of about 40% work time. About 10% of serfs were domestic servants -- de facto slaves.


    So is taxation.
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