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    Hunter-gatherers first launched violent raids at least 13,400 years ago

    The earliest found evidence of small scale warfare discovered in the Nile River valley. Seems to have been triggered over dwindling resources.


    Hunter-gatherers first launched violent raids at least 13,400 years ago

    More than 8,000 years before the rise of Egyptian civilization, hunter-gatherers went on the attack in the Nile Valley.

    Skeletons of adults, teens and children excavated in the 1960s at an ancient cemetery in Sudan known as Jebel Sahaba display injuries incurred in repeated skirmishes, raids or ambushes, say paleoanthropologist Isabelle Crevecoeur and her colleagues. The site, which dates to between 13,400 and 18,600 years ago, provides the oldest known evidence of regular, small-scale conflicts among human groups, says Crevecoeur, of the University of Bordeaux in France.


    Although people buried at Jebel Sahaba dont show signs of having fought in a one-time battle, they participated in an early form of sporadic warfare, the researchers conclude May 27 in Scientific Reports.


    Repeated violent episodes were probably triggered by well-recorded environmental changes around the time people were buried at Jebel Sahaba, Crevecoeur says.



    Signs of human activity declined sharply in the Nile Valley between around 126,000 and 11,700 years ago. Toward the end of that span, hunter-gatherers occupied floodplains in whats now southern Egypt and northern Sudan. As the Ice Age waned, a fluctuating climate contributed to declines in prime fishing and hunting spots. Competition for those resources probably triggered fighting among regional groups, the researchers suspect.


    The new report fits a scenario in which ancient, possibly culturally distinct communities violently raided each other when dwindling resources threatened their survival, says bioarchaeologist Christopher Stojanowski of Arizona State University in Tempe, who has studied the Jebel Sahaba remains but did not participate in the new study.


    Ancient people carefully dug graves for their dead at Jebel Sahaba, interring bodies in similar, flexed postures. So amidst the apparent hardship, amidst the apparent violence and tragedy, we still see humanity here, Stojanowski says.
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    I disagree with timeline. I am Jewish. Most Christians and Muslims would also disagree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCitizen View Post
    I disagree with timeline. I am Jewish. Most Christians and Muslims would also disagree.

    But Irrational Anger has existed since beginning of Humankind.
    What is your timeline?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CCitizen View Post
    I disagree with timeline. I am Jewish. Most Christians and Muslims would also disagree.

    But Irrational Anger has existed since beginning of Humankind.

    I agree that irrational anger exists and that it has since the dawn of time, but I don't see it as being beneficial--not then and not now.

    Rational anger on the other hand indicates that the person who is angry is also able to think clearly and, in doing so, more able to form a cognizant response.

    Rational anger is better than irrational anger, but both are detrimental to the person(s) experiencing them.

    Irrational anger is just lashing out and that's how people make mistakes.

    But, what we see today as wrong, our ancestors saw as "necessary." We really can't judge them by today's standards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    What is your timeline?
    Most Jews and Christians and Muslim believe Biblical timeline.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FindersKeepers View Post
    I agree that irrational anger exists and that it has since the dawn of time, but I don't see it as being beneficial--not then and not now.

    Rational anger on the other hand indicates that the person who is angry is also able to think clearly and, in doing so, more able to form a cognizant response.

    Rational anger is better than irrational anger, but both are detrimental to the person(s) experiencing them.
    Perhaps we agree on everything except for defining rationality. A Roman slave who rebelled against the system suffered tremendous consequences. Thus, his/her action may be seen as irrational.

    Nevertheless, rebellion weakened Slavery. Thus the number of enslaved did not grow to tens of millions.
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