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    Quote Originally Posted by carolina73 View Post
    Nazis.
    You mean people who currently swear allegiance to the modern Republican party, due to having the same ideology.

    And you love that. That settles the "Who are the Nazis? "question conclusiovely. Not all Repulblicans are open nazis, but all of them accept the Nazis among them. When they stop tongue-bathing Nazis, we'll stop pointing out their support of Nazism, but not until then.

    Everything I see there represents the left wing of the Democrat Party.
    Everything there, you just made up. That is, you used the BigLie technique, as the Nazis did.

    I welcome arguments from Mamooth beyond her saying the Republicans are racist but I predict that she has nothing.
    As I've never used that argument, one could wonder why you chose such a stupid lie. I mean, Goebbels told you to use the BigLie often, but he would want you to be smart about it. But we really don't have to wonder about your motivations. We know why Trump cultists always lie. There are multiple reasons.

    1. They're fundamentially gutless. They can't debate any liberal, and they can't admit it, so they just lie about what the liberal supposedly said.

    2. Their one fundamental philosophical belief is "The ends always justifies the means, but only for my own side". They literally believe that anything they do is good by definition.

    3. All the other conservatives are lying, so they feel compelled to bleat along with the herd.

    4. They get off on lying. They get a sick pervy thrill from doing it, a serious tingle up the leg.
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    If the only argument one has is that one's opponent lies, then you really have no argument.

    Especially when you misrepresent the opponent's words.


    Misrepresentation:

    Nazis.
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    Nazis.

    Big Government
    Government total control of business
    Government health care
    Rejected religion after it developed as a competitor of their government.
    Political Correctness to control the public...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    So now you resort to ad hominem.*
    Says the one who auto-switches to ad hom whenever his beliefs are challenged. Sure, I insult people, but I don't whimper when I get it back. Obviously, hypocrites can't undestand such a consistent standard.

    Now, your insults and evasions aside, I'm still waiting for you to stop running from your own thread topic, and to tell us, in your own words, what Critical Race Theory is, and why it equates with Nazism and Marxism. You won't, of course. once things go past you being a propaganda parrot, you're helpless.

    Here is what I said to counter your ahistorical error: "Historically, Fascism and Nazism were anti-capitalist, anti-liberal--just like Communism. I asked you for historical facts, not false narratives."
    And you said "Fascism is not authoritarianism as you equate.", even though I specifically said they weren't the same. Very dishonest of you to lie the first time, and then whitewash away your lie on this attempt.

    When already in a liar-hole, just stop digging.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    If the only argument one has is that one's opponent lies, then you really have no argument.
    Awww. Someone's upset because his propaganda is getting challenged.

    I'm ready to debate the issues, whenever you're ready to stop pouting and join in. After all, I keep trying, and you keep running.

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    Now, let's return to the topic.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Historically, Fascism and Nazism were anti-capitalist,
    The fascists were crony capitalists, just like moden conservatives.

    anti-liberal--just like Communism.
    So again, like modern conservatives.

    Again, what differentiates fascism from other types of authoritarianism is the embrace of crony capitalism, and the desire to reinforce the social status quo of the present or recent past. In both of those ways, it's much more similar to conservatism than liberalism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mamooth View Post
    Says the one who auto-switches to ad hom whenever his beliefs are challenged. Sure, I insult people, but I don't whimper when I get it back. Obviously, hypocrites can't undestand such a consistent standard.

    Now, your insults and evasions aside, I'm still waiting for you to stop running from your own thread topic, and to tell us, in your own words, what Critical Race Theory is, and why it equates with Nazism and Marxism. You won't, of course. once things go past you being a propaganda parrot, you're helpless.



    And you said "Fascism is not authoritarianism as you equate.", even though I specifically said they weren't the same. Very dishonest of you to lie the first time, and then whitewash away your lie on this attempt.

    When already in a liar-hole, just stop digging.

    You begin with another false accusation followed by your admitting you insult people--instead of arguing with their ideas and opinions, than you.



    "what Critical Race Theory is, and why it equates with Nazism and Marxism" is spelled out in the OP. What specifically do you object to? Do you have a different definition? Stop hiding behind blustering inflammatory trolling and offer an argument with some substance.



    And you said "Fascism is not authoritarianism as you equate.", even though I specifically said they weren't the same. Very dishonest of you to lie the first time, and then whitewash away your lie on this attempt.
    Here is what you said: "Fascism or right-wing authoritarianism differs from other types by having a crony capitaliist economic system, and a desire to maintain or reinstate the past status quo." That equate fascism and authoritarianism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mamooth View Post
    Awww. Someone's upset because his propaganda is getting challenged.

    I'm ready to debate the issues, whenever you're ready to stop pouting and join in. After all, I keep trying, and you keep running.

    You're the one all upset and name-calling and insulting. I'm just pointing out how that wrecks your posts.


    Then debate what the OP says about CRT and how Hilter seduced Marxism. What specifically do you object to?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mamooth View Post
    Now, let's return to the topic.



    The fascists were crony capitalists, just like moden conservatives.



    So again, like modern conservatives.

    Again, what differentiates fascism from other types of authoritarianism is the embrace of crony capitalism, and the desire to reinforce the social status quo of the present or recent past. In both of those ways, it's much more similar to conservatism than liberalism.

    The fascists were crony capitalists, just like moden conservatives.
    Nice opinion but it merely repeat your opinion and lacks any substance. You need to go out and find evidence fascism supported capitalism--good luck when it was anti-capitalist.



    Fascists opposed both international socialism and free-market capitalism, arguing that their views represented a third position.[21][22] They claimed to provide a realistic economic alternative that was neither laissez-faire capitalism nor communism.[23] They favored corporatism and class collaboration, believing that the existence of inequality and social hierarchy was beneficial (contrary to the views of socialists),[24][25] while also arguing that the state had a role in mediating relations between classes (contrary to the views of liberal capitalists).[26] An important aspect of fascist economies was economic dirigism,[27] meaning an economy where the government often subsidizes favorable companies and exerts strong directive influence over investment, as opposed to having a merely regulatory role. In general, fascist economies were based on private property and private initiative, but these were contingent upon service to the state.[28]

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    21 Blamires, Cyprian; Jackson, Paul (2006). World Fascism: A Historical Encyclopedia, Volume 1. ABC-CLIO. pp. 404, 610. ISBN 978-1576079409.
    22 "Hitler and the socialist dream". The Independent. 1998-11-22. Retrieved 17 July 2019.
    23 Philip Morgan, Fascism in Europe, 1919-1945", New York, Taylor & Francis, 2003, p. 168.
    24 "The Doctrine of Fascism". Enciclopedia Italiana. Rome: Istituto Giovanni Treccani. 1932. "[Fascism] affirms the irremediable, fruitful and beneficent inequality of men"
    25 John Weiss, "The Fascist Tradition", Harper & Row, New York, 1967. pp. 14
    26 Calvin B. Hoover, The Paths of Economic Change: Contrasting Tendencies in the Modern World, The American Economic Review, Vol. 25, No. 1, Supplement, Papers and Proceedings of the Forty-seventh Annual Meeting of the American Economic Association. (March, 1935), pp. 13-20.
    27 Tibor Ivan Berend, An Economic History of Twentieth-Century Europe, Cambridge University Press, 2005, p. 93
    28 James A. Gregor, The Search for Neofascism: The Use and Abuse of Social Science, Cambridge University Press, 2006, p. 7
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    Quote Originally Posted by mamooth View Post
    What a sad thread.

    First we have some lunatic raving about how critical race theory is both marxism and Hitler, because the author feels it must be so. He makes up some fake stories about what liberals really believe to justify the claim, like his big whopper about how critical race theorists hate anyone with a different skin color. Some people just really, really want reasons to hate, and lying helps them achieve that goal.

    That's followed by other posters agreeing, so that they also have excuses to feel a hate-rush over liberals. They also do the normal Republican revisionist history thing, where they pretend the racist Dixiecrats didn't turn into Republicans. And we get a good dose of "Waaa! Those race-obsessed liberals always call us racists no matter what, for no reason at all!" big lie.

    This is one reason why it's so good to be a liberal. We don't need to invent an insane alternate reality to excuse bad behavior. Instead, we choose to not behave badly. It's so much simpler.
    What stikes me about your post is how much it bothers you. You know this is correct and we know it is correct. Class struggle and race struggle are methods used by your side as a a tool to promote Communism. You have taken first step to realization of this. I can feel the pain in your comments. Dont let the media and popular culture constrain you any further. Your eyes are half way open to the path of Liberty, Freedom and open thought.

    We are here to help you!
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    Chris is just pouting the "Nazis were liberals!" revisionism now, and I have no interest in that, so I'll see if you're brave enough to debate.

    Quote Originally Posted by Admiral Ackbar View Post
    What stikes me about your post is how much it bothers you.
    How what bothers me? You're not making any sense. How is pointing out that you're making up weird stuff being bothered?

    Let's have you try it. Tell us what Critical Race Theory is. Then tell us how it's both Marxism and Nazism. Unless supporting your claims bothers you, that is.

    You know this is correct and we know it is correct. Class struggle and race struggle are methods used by your side as a a tool to promote Communism.
    Oh, you're just delusional! Why didn't you state that right off, and saved us some time? And why hasn't anyone told you before that you're babbling nonsense? It shouldn't be left up to me to stage these interventions.

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