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    When Hitler Seduces Marx

    I have long argued that if you look at the demands of racist white supremacists your find left-wing politics. It's understandiable hiw with the rise of racist white supremacy, the left distances itself by calling it right-wing, just the same as they want to deny and hide from their own well-known racist history stretching from Southern slavery, Civil War, Democratic Restoration, Jim Crow, and resistance to Civil Rights by the friends of Joe Biden. But this essay explains the connection between the left and white supremacy: When Hitler Seduces Marx.

    Many years ago, when I was an angry teenager, I saw a play by the Marxist playwright David Edgar which was intended to expose the false philosophy underlying white supremacist ideology. The only scene in the play which I recall was an angry exchange between a sympathetically portrayed Marxist and his antagonist, a white supremacist activist. In this dialogue the Marxist tried to convince his interlocutor that political history was centred on class struggle, whereas the white supremacist responded that, on the contrary, it was centred on the struggle between the races. The Marxist sought liberation in class war, the white supremacist in race war. One sought to sow discord in society by dividing one class against another, the other by dividing one race against the other. In spite of their differences, an objective observer could see that they shared a common hatred of those in power and a common belief that political victory would take violence and the cancelling of their opponents.

    Even in the wildest reaches of the imagination, I could not have foreseen that the Marxist would come to endorse the white supremacist view of history. It seemed inconceivable that Marx could be seduced by Hitler. And yet “critical race theory” is as obsessed with race as were the Nazis. According to the new generation of Marxists, the political struggle is not about class war but race war; it’s not about a struggle between the classes but a struggle between the races. Like the Nazis, the critical race theorists don’t believe that racism is a prejudice in individuals but is something determined by history. It is not something evil in the heart of men but something systemic in history itself. Since this is so, the solution is not teaching and preaching the love of neighbour but the destruction of the “system.” And since the “system” is history itself, the final solution is the cancelling of the past, the utter erasing of the collective cultural memory of the people.

    ...As I ponder the way that Hitler has successfully seduced Karl Marx, I am reminded once again of the scene between the angry Marxist and the equally angry white supremacist in David Edgar’s play. The irony is that they have much more in common with each other than they realize. On the purely intellectual or philosophical level, they are children of the so-called Enlightenment. They are descended from Hegel, Marx, Nietzsche, Spengler, and other historical determinists who believe that problems and their solutions are systemic, not moral. They see things in systemic terms of “right” and “left,” not in moral terms of right and wrong. They believe in hating and cancelling their enemies, not in loving and forgiving them. They believe in systems so perfect that nobody will need to be good, whether it be the Dictatorship of the Proletariat or the Thousand Year Reich. They believe that the perfect system is not merely worth dying for but is also worth killing for. They are willing to practice what they preach, as history has demonstrated all too gruesomely, with guillotines, gas chambers, and gulags. They are ready to adopt final solutions, such as the proto-communist genocide in the Vendée, the Stalinist genocide in the Ukraine, or the Hitlerite genocide in the concentration camps of the Third Reich.

    If the critical race theorists spent less time hating their neighbours for the colour of their skin and more time studying the history that they seek to cancel, they would see that it is they and not any particular race who have been humanity’s bane....
    Edmund Burke: "In vain you tell me that Artificial Government is good, but that I fall out only with the Abuse. The Thing! the Thing itself is the Abuse!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    I have long argued that if you look at the demands of racist white supremacists your find left-wing politics. It's understandiable hiw with the rise of racist white supremacy, the left distances itself by calling it right-wing, just the same as they want to deny and hide from their own well-known racist history stretching from Southern slavery, Civil War, Democratic Restoration, Jim Crow, and resistance to Civil Rights by the friends of Joe Biden. But this essay explains the connection between the left and white supremacy: When Hitler Seduces Marx.
    They wont study the History. They want to rewrite it.
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    And don't forget the alleged Racism of the Nazis was portrayed as a class struggle. The Jew Shop Keepers, Professionals, and Bankers became the evil when average Germans were out of work.

    You will hear the very same rhetoric today from the left in this country, only it is about "White Privilege."

    How dare white people have prosperity and ownership. Never mind the many poor white people just as there were many poor Jews in Nazi Germany.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RMNIXON View Post
    And don't forget the alleged Racism of the Nazis was portrayed as a class struggle. The Jew Shop Keepers, Professionals, and Bankers became the evil when average Germans were out of work.

    You will hear the very same rhetoric today from the left in this country, only it is about "White Privilege."

    How dare white people have prosperity and ownership. Never mind the many poor white people just as there were many poor Jews in Nazi Germany.
    I will say something which will drive away my Conservative friends. I have no Liberal friends.

    1) Male bashing is about 20 times more prevalent then white bashing. Men are portrayed as oppressors and enemies much more then whites. Nevertheless, in 2021, all Conservative spaces strongly condemn Black Lives Matter, Critical Race Theory, etc. In 2021, Conservatives condemn reverse racism much more then reverse sexism.

    2) African Americans still suffer significant discrimination -- such as 10% longer sentences for the same crime. Here. African Americans still suffer much greater levels of poverty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CCitizen View Post
    I will say something which will drive away my Conservative friends. I have no Liberal friends.

    1) Male bashing is about 20 times more prevalent then white bashing. Men are portrayed as oppressors and enemies much more then whites. Nevertheless, in 2021, all Conservative spaces strongly condemn Black Lives Matter, Critical Race Theory, etc. In 2021, Conservatives condemn reverse racism much more then reverse sexism.

    2) African Americans still suffer significant discrimination -- such as 10% longer sentences for the same crime. Here. African Americans still suffer much greater levels of poverty.
    No Liberal friends? Or no Progressive friends?

    I often use the term Liberal for Progressive, because they hid under that label for much of my life. I need to take better care in doing that because calling a Progressive a Liberal is like calling bird droppings = rain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carolina73 View Post
    No Liberal friends? Or no Progressive friends?

    I often use the term Liberal for Progressive, because they hid under that label for much of my life. I need to take better care in doing that because calling a Progressive a Liberal is like calling bird droppings = rain.
    No Progressive friends. Modern Progressives are more anti-Liberal then anyone else.
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    Racism has roots in collectivism just like far left Socialism/Communism.

    Look to who is pushing Race Identity politics to find the real racists in any circumstance!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    I have long argued that if you look at the demands of racist white supremacists your find left-wing politics. It's understandiable hiw with the rise of racist white supremacy, the left distances itself by calling it right-wing, just the same as they want to deny and hide from their own well-known racist history stretching from Southern slavery, Civil War, Democratic Restoration, Jim Crow, and resistance to Civil Rights by the friends of Joe Biden. But this essay explains the connection between the left and white supremacy: When Hitler Seduces Marx.
    Very interesting observations but I haven't found it inconceivable in a long time. The two systems (Nazism and communism) are structurally similar in important ways. This is most evident in how they actually functioned historically (i.e. their totalitarian nature) but race and class served identical ideological purposes. It wasn't simply unprincipled opportunism that allowed men to move from communism to fascism/Nazism and then back again. The two worldviews obviously have important differences but they also have very strong similarities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    Very interesting observations but I haven't found it inconceivable in a long time. The two systems (Nazism and communism) are structurally similar in important ways. This is most evident in how they actually functioned historically (i.e. their totalitarian nature) but race and class served identical ideological purposes. It wasn't simply unprincipled opportunism that allowed men to move from communism to fascism/Nazism and then back again. The two worldviews obviously have important differences but they also have very strong similarities.
    The primary difference between National Socialist Germany (NSDAP) and Communism is that Hitler's Germany rejected the Internationalism of the 1930's communist movement. Mussolini was a Communist until pressured by Germany to join the Fascism movement. But the economics changed very little and the totalitarianism of Government was all but identical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RMNIXON View Post
    The primary difference between National Socialist Germany (NSDAP) and Communism is that Hitler's Germany rejected the Internationalism of the 1930's communist movement. Mussolini was a Communist until pressured by Germany to join the Fascism movement. But the economics changed very little and the totalitarianism of Government was all but identical.
    There are other important differences. For example, fascism and Nazism are strongly hierarchical and glorify violence on a theoretical level. There's a quote to the effect that the problem with fascism was that when a man seeks to emulate a beast he is only too good at it. The problem with communism is that when men seek to be angels they are invariably devils. Forget who said it but that 's was the gist of it.
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