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Thread: There is no single anti-Woke ideology.

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    Woke is bullying. Bullying eventually turns to violence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carolina73 View Post
    Woke is just people that claim they are victims and admit they have no tools except to claim they are victims.

    So they use that.

    Why are you poor? Because I am black.
    Why can't you keep a job? Because I am black
    Why can't you stay off the drugs? Because I am black
    Why are you constipated? Because I am black

    If an employer can get a person of any color to show up every day and work then the employer will do nothing to lose them. Yes, there will certainly be a few exceptions but they can walk into the next place and get a job, while they still have one.
    That cures most of their problems. They can stop believing they are a victim.

    And if there are victims there must be oppressors, unconscious, systemic, the culture, which must be torn down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carolina73 View Post
    Woke is just people that claim they are victims and admit they have no tools except to claim they are victims.

    So they use that.

    Why are you poor? Because I am black.
    Why can't you keep a job? Because I am black
    Why can't you stay off the drugs? Because I am black
    Why are you constipated? Because I am black

    If an employer can get a person of any color to show up every day and work then the employer will do nothing to lose them. Yes, there will certainly be a few exceptions but they can walk into the next place and get a job, while they still have one.
    That cures most of their problems. They can stop believing they are a victim.
    I actually agree with that assessment, for the most part. While there are still valid accusations of White racism to be made, the scope and extent of it are wildly exaggerated. My point is that in a lot of cases the very people who express "anti-Wokeness" are themselves guilty of the same tactics, the same hypersensitivity, in some cases the same angry semi-hysteria in their reaction to the expressed views of others as are those they criticize.
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    One thing I don't understand about CRT and "Systemic Racism" and the desire to "tear down racist institutions". What do they intend to replace it with? Ben Shapiro (I think it was him) said CRT was simply Marxist Ideology and the end goal was the destruction of capitalism and the individual. Listening to some I can fully believe that is what they want but I can't believe a majority of Americans, of any race truly wants to become Venezuela.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nathanbforrest45 View Post
    One thing I don't understand about CRT and "Systemic Racism" and the desire to "tear down racist institutions". What do they intend to replace it with? Ben Shapiro (I think it was him) said CRT was simply Marxist Ideology and the end goal was the destruction of capitalism and the individual. Listening to some I can fully believe that is what they want but I can't believe a majority of Americans, of any race truly wants to become Venezuela.
    There's a pattern to it all. Marx never did describe what a future socialism would be like. Postmoderns, in the initial stage where deconstructionists unto themselves, in this now second state activists for what no one articultes. But that's been the nature of progressivism all along, to replace the tried and true with the untried and unknown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nathanbforrest45 View Post
    One thing I don't understand about CRT and "Systemic Racism" and the desire to "tear down racist institutions". What do they intend to replace it with? Ben Shapiro (I think it was him) said CRT was simply Marxist Ideology and the end goal was the destruction of capitalism and the individual. Listening to some I can fully believe that is what they want but I can't believe a majority of Americans, of any race truly wants to become Venezuela.
    Most people are being manipulated. They listen to CNN and believe that if they buy into CRT and other woke garbage, then that will help create more equality, fairness, and equity. They will stand against hate and racism. They don't realize what absolute poison CRT really is, or what it will do/is doing to the country. They hear "tear down the system", and they are told to "listen, don't speak", and they think maybe a new utopia can be created and that will fix the racial tensions and everything will be good.

    The people who want this new Marxist revolution are either troublemakers, have nothing to lose, think that it will actually create a good thing, are angry at the system for whatever reason, or they stand to profit from it because they'll come out the other end with more money and more power. But most are just blind followers, and don't realize what is really at stake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nathanbforrest45 View Post
    Woke is bullying. Bullying eventually turns to violence.
    Woke is another lame attempt of the Left to try and claim moral superiority without argument.

    In a way it has become a kind of bullying and has led to BLM/ANTIFA violence. When a society hands out an excuse for violence it will happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nathanbforrest45 View Post
    One thing I don't understand about CRT and "Systemic Racism" and the desire to "tear down racist institutions". What do they intend to replace it with? Ben Shapiro (I think it was him) said CRT was simply Marxist Ideology and the end goal was the destruction of capitalism and the individual. Listening to some I can fully believe that is what they want but I can't believe a majority of Americans, of any race truly wants to become Venezuela.
    I don’t think any American has ever said they want the US to be like Venezuela.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Standing Wolf View Post
    When a so-called "Woke" effort is made to get an individual fired, a company boycotted, etc., it is always classified by many these days as "censorship" and "cancel culture". On the other hand, if an individual says something that many "anti-Woke" folks find offensive, or if a company takes a social or political stance that "anti-Woke" people are bothered by, the inevitable efforts by those "anti-Woke" forces to get someone fired or to boycott a company, etc. are seen - at least by those prompting or calling for them - as perfectly acceptable.
    The difference is in numbers. Tens or hundreds of thousands of people have been fired for offending Modern Liberals. At most a few hundred have been fired for offending Modern Conservatives.
    Progressives are Passionate about establishing Totalitarian Tyranny.

    Conservatives are Apathetic about maintaining a Free Society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nathanbforrest45 View Post
    Woke is bullying. Bullying eventually turns to violence.
    I agree 100%. Even though Classical Liberals and Conservatives have irreconcilable differences, hopefully we can coexist and even cooperate.
    Progressives are Passionate about establishing Totalitarian Tyranny.

    Conservatives are Apathetic about maintaining a Free Society.

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