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    Jet would like to see the 1972 Presidential map. Nixon won virtually the entire $#@!ing country! lol Was he trying to make a point?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    When did I say that? What I HAVE said is that what's happened to the south is politics.
    You said--and I quote--"The Lily Whites began a racist Republican campaign to gain the south through an all white agenda. It worked."

    Exactly why would this (supposedly) "racist" campaign have "worked," if most Southern whites are not "racist"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    It is NOT morally suspicious to be a Republican. It is morally suspicious to support Donald Trump, Ted Cruz, Tom Cotton, Mitch Mcconnell (the fake Irishman), Darell Issa, Kevin Mcccarthy and host of other Republican leaders.
    The parenthetical description, "the fake Irishman," is an obviously ad hominem assault.

    As for the others, the ones you list are too numerous to take, person-by-person. But just let me say that I very much support Ted Cruz and Tom Cotton.

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    And FDR was NOT a socialist of any kind, he did what was necessary under the circumstances.
    Certainly he was a democratic socialist.

    Whether he did only what was "necessary under the circumstances" is an entirely separate question.

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    The Great Society was a move to try and end poverty in America and racial injustices.
    Perhaps the motives were pure. (And then again, he did boast that he would "have those n*****s voting Democratic for 200 years, according to some sources.")

    Regardless of the motives, however, the result was...well, not especially edifying.

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Far too radical means hypernationalist, suppressive of worker rights and voting rights, over supportive of corporate America by any means necessary, (which American history bears out), anti-government, militaristic, anti public schools and anti teacher's unions, anti non-white immigration, pro Fox News and far right-wing media, pro WASP, pro revisionist history. Those are some traits of the far right and the last five years has played out their actions that are sinking this country.
    Again, your laundry list of complaints is far too lengthy to address fully.

    Let me just say that Fox News is far more fair and balanced (as it claims) than either CNN or MSNBC, which appear to be merely echo chambers, with the guests regularly parroting the views of their hosts.

    And the proposed voting-rights law in Georgia is not only not "suppressive"; it is actually more congenial to voters' rights than the laws in New York, or Joe Biden's home state of Delaware.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pjohns View Post
    The parenthetical description, "the fake Irishman," is an obviously ad hominem assault.

    As for the others, the ones you list are too numerous to take, person-by-person. But just let me say that I very much support Ted Cruz and Tom Cotton.



    Certainly he was a democratic socialist.

    Whether he did only what was "necessary under the circumstances" is an entirely separate question.


    Perhaps the motives were pure. (And then again, he did boast that he would "have those n*****s voting Democratic for 200 years, according to some sources.")

    Regardless of the motives, however, the result was...well, not especially edifying.


    Again, your laundry list of complaints is far too lengthy to address fully.

    Let me just say that Fox News is far more fair and balanced (as it claims) than either CNN or MSNBC, which appear to be merely echo chambers, with the guests regularly parroting the views of their hosts.

    And the proposed voting-rights law in Georgia is not only not "suppressive"; it is actually more congenial to voters' rights than the laws in New York, or Joe Biden's home state of Delaware.
    And many of the woke corporations boycotting Georgia are incorporated in Delaware.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    And many of the woke corporations boycotting Georgia are incorporated in Delaware.
    That's okay. the president of the United states thinks he's from South Wales.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pjohns View Post
    The parenthetical description, "the fake Irishman," is an obviously ad hominem assault.

    As for the others, the ones you list are too numerous to take, person-by-person. But just let me say that I very much support Ted Cruz and Tom Cotton.



    Certainly he was a democratic socialist.

    Whether he did only what was "necessary under the circumstances" is an entirely separate question.


    Perhaps the motives were pure. (And then again, he did boast that he would "have those n*****s voting Democratic for 200 years, according to some sources.")

    Regardless of the motives, however, the result was...well, not especially edifying.


    Again, your laundry list of complaints is far too lengthy to address fully.

    Let me just say that Fox News is far more fair and balanced (as it claims) than either CNN or MSNBC, which appear to be merely echo chambers, with the guests regularly parroting the views of their hosts.

    And the proposed voting-rights law in Georgia is not only not "suppressive"; it is actually more congenial to voters' rights than the laws in New York, or Joe Biden's home state of Delaware.
    I've explained the fake Irishman before; it's his lack of character and remembrance of the past. As for you supporting Cruz et al, that moves you a bit further to the right than I thought.

    FDR as NOT a Democratic socialist; he never identified as one, and such labels will never tarnish the good works and leadership he provided for this country. Are you enjoying your social security checks? Should he have kept us out of WWII? Was it better that Americans starved during the depression?

    I not going to look down on LBJ, he was a great Democrat and also did good works. That phrase that you attribute to him was never proven to come from him. The Great Society did it;s job by getting us down the road to trying to solve the problems of the poor in this country.

    As for what it takes to be far right, it's not a laundry list thank you, it's the characteristics and behaviors of what I consider to be far right-wing; you asked me...

    Fox News is not now, nor has it ever been fair and balanced and I don't have any views on CNN or MSNBC, I don't watch any of them, but if Fox News is going to be THAT way, then there's always push back.

    I and the rest of thinking Americans don't support voter suppression laws. I see them as unconstitutional.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pjohns View Post
    You said--and I quote--"The Lily Whites began a racist Republican campaign to gain the south through an all white agenda. It worked."

    Exactly why would this (supposedly) "racist" campaign have "worked," if most Southern whites are not "racist"?
    The Southern Republicans are predominately white, aren't they.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    I've explained the fake Irishman before; it's his lack of character and remembrance of the past. As for you supporting Cruz et al, that moves you a bit further to the right than I thought.
    What does the term "fake Irishman" have to do with a "lack of character," anyway? And is this really why you detest him? (Be honest, now.)

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    FDR as NOT a Democratic socialist; he never identified as one, and such labels will never tarnish the good works and leadership he provided for this country.
    So, you are really more interested in our refraining from saying anything that might "tarnish" his reputation, than you are in the truth. Note: Of course he did not "identify" as a democratic socialist. That would not have been good for him, politically.

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    Are you enjoying your social security checks?
    I would not wish to refuse it; but I do not spend it, either. (I have it direct-deposited into my savings account.)

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    Should he have kept us out of WWII?
    For this, I cannot blame him. (We were bombed by Japan in December of 1941; nothing short of the most blatant appeasement could have then "kept us out" of the conflict.

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Was it better that Americans starved during the depression?
    This really suggests a broader discussion, viz.: Is democratic socialism a superior political philosophy to traditional capitalism?

    Oh, and one other matter: Should we judge a political philosophy more by its pragmatic effects than by its philosophical underpinnings?

    These are serious questions. They should not merely be sidestepped--or, worse yet, snarkily dismissed.

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    I not going to look down on LBJ, he was a great Democrat and also did good works.
    Well, a liberal would certainly think so.

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    That phrase that you attribute to him was never proven to come from him.
    I did not exactly "attribute" it to him, as you claim. Rather, I said that "some sources" do this. (I am uncertain if this is true; but you are clearly revealing your partisanship, by breezily dismissing it.)

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    The Great Society did it;s job by getting us down the road to trying to solve the problems of the poor in this country.
    Again, a typical liberal's viewpoint.

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Fox News is not now, nor has it ever been fair and balanced...
    If you are going strictly by its nighttime hosts--Tucker Carlson; Sean Hannity; and Laura Ingraham--you might have a point.

    But its nighttime hosts do not even claim to be evenhanded journalists--or journalists at all, for that matter--rather, they are the hosts of opinion shows. The daytime hosts are much different.

    In any case, their guests include people from all different portions of the political spectrum. And that is quite unlike CNN and MSNBC, which appear to be nothing but echo chambers.

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    I and the rest of thinking Americans don't support voter suppression laws.
    Neither do I. But you are begging the question by assuming that all reasonable people should agree that the voting law proposed in Georgia--as well as that in other states (typically Southern states)--is about voter suppression.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    The Southern Republicans are predominately white, aren't they.
    Certainly.

    And so are Republicans (and Democrats--especially in the Senate) elsewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pjohns View Post
    Certainly.

    And so are Republicans (and Democrats--especially in the Senate) elsewhere.
    Yyyyep; mostly white. I'm not sure what you're trying to get at there in post #58. There's nothing there...

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