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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Dave was commenting on bickering.

    I accept his observation and will not reply to your trolling further in this thread.
    I pointed out to Dave, thAt he said the same thing so apparently you two need to come to some sort of agreement on the definition of bulverism.

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    "There are two questions that people who say this kind of thing ought to be asked. The first is, are all thoughts thus tainted at the source, or only some? The second is, does the taint invalidate the tainted thought – in the sense of making it untrue – or not?" CSL


    Only two, hardly. Seriously we do not grow up in a vacuum, we grow up in a social setting etc etc etc and that forms our ideas, our person. Later we hopefully challenge ourselves.
    Seriously, if this is midcan actually trying and expressing his own thoughts I don't think I'll ask for them again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    Seriously, if this is midcan actually trying and expressing his own thoughts I don't think I'll ask for them again.
    He sounds like Émile Durkheim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    OK, yes, in all your critiques of what he says about Bulverism you try to fault him for his religious beliefs. But all he is doing in the essay cited in the OP is explaining the fallacy of Bulverism. Bulverism is this, in short: "assume that your opponent is wrong, and explain his error." IOW, what you are doing is assuming he's wrong and trying to explain his error lies in religion. But religion is not why he wrote the essay, religion is one of his examples, just as capitalism is. You mistake the rhetorical device of example as the reason for his essay.
    His religion is the basis for his thought. I don't fault him that is who he is and tells us he is. Am I guilty of Bulverism for saying that. Calling something something based on something may be right on occasion or even often. Calling a spade a spade is being honest, you are something based on who you are. At a deep level that may not fit all assumptions about a person. But if I know you are a republican or religious or marxist I know something. And that something helps. See another piece below.

    Finally I think labels like Bulcverism don't help even as I ponder it. Just another label used to exclude thought.


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    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    His religion is the basis for his thought. I don't fault him that is who he is and tells us he is. Am I guilty of Bulverism for saying that. Calling something something based on something may be right on occasion or even often. Calling a spade a spade is being honest, you are something based on who you are. At a deep level that may not fit all assumptions about a person. But if I know you are a republican or religious or marxist I know something. And that something helps. See another piece below.

    Finally I think labels like Bulcverism don't help even as I ponder it. Just another label used to exclude thought.


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    He is religious and uses religious examples, but they are examples to his definition of Bulverism. You would do well to review rhetorical devices.

    Yes, you engaged in Bulverism by declaring him wrong and psychoanalyzing his error as religious--but I already said that, so why don't you address it instead of doubling down on it?

    His essay explains his THOUGHTS on Bulverism. Seems to be you who misses THOUGHTS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Bulverism. You make accusations you can't back up and then proceed to psychoanalyze it.
    So, nearly every post you make is Bulverism. Especially this thread.

    Come on, stop making this so easy. For once, do something besides telling the liberals what they really think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mamooth View Post
    So, nearly every post you make is Bulverism. Especially this thread.

    Come on, stop making this so easy. For once, do something besides telling the liberals what they really think.

    It's easy to make accusations, hard to demonstrate it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    It's easy to make accusations, hard to demonstrate it.
    You come at everything from a particular motive: that is not critical thinking, THAT is bulverism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    You come at everything from a particular motive: that is not critical thinking, THAT is bulverism.
    That is not Bulverism.

    Motive, purpose, even agenda do not contradict critical thinking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    That is not Bulverism.

    Motive, purpose, even agenda do not contradict critical thinking.
    Motive, purpose, even agenda can contradict critical thinking if the sources of data or proof used as substantiation are chosen for their intentional bias, meaning factually correct to the extent of the data presented, but edited to leave out inconvenient relevant information that would not support their conclusions.
    In quoting my post, you affirm and agree that you have not been goaded, provoked, emotionally manipulated or otherwise coerced into responding.



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