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Thread: How Big Pharma made Americans addicted to opioids

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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    No. There was plenty of importation for trafficking. Read the articles. What is wrong with you that you can't just say: "Look, there's criminals everywhere, including China."
    I realize quite well that there are criminals everywhere , as well as in China.....but China is not responsible the fentanyl problem in the US , now matter how you choose to view it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PJL View Post
    I realize quite well that there are criminals everywhere , as well as in China.....but China is not responsible the fentanyl problem in the US , now matter how you choose to view it.
    It is in part responsible, no matter how you choose to deny it. It is a fact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PJL View Post
    Thanks for a factual account of the problem.
    I listened to a podcast about a guy who was working as a middle man between Big Pharma, Docs, and pharmacists. He never would have gotten caught but he got greedy and started to add illegal drugs to his shipments. Anyway, the podcast went into great detail about this topic.

    He ended up ratting on Big Pharma and lots of docs- that is how those prosecutions came into being.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    It is in part responsible, no matter how you choose to deny it. It is a fact.
    You're clutching at straws here DGUtley . China cannot be blamed for this , the buck stops with big pharma and corruption in government ....no scapegoats required .

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    I don't think Chi-na started the problem- caused. But they saw the US had an opioid problem and saw it as a business venture to fill the demand, both legally and illegally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PJL View Post
    You're clutching at straws here DGUtley . China cannot be blamed for this , the buck stops with big pharma and corruption in government ....no scapegoats required .
    No. You are being dishonest.
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    This is nothing more than China's payback for the Opium Wars between the Chinese and the English and the French in the middle of the 19th Century.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    No. You are being dishonest.
    I'm not being at all dishonest .....and you are not being honest with yourself . You are allowing your bias to determine your replies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PJL View Post
    I'm not being at all dishonest .....and you are not being honest with yourself . You are allowing your bias to determine your replies.
    Not at all. You are engaging in the big lie. It is plain and evident that illegally trafficked fentanyl has been brought into this country from China. Why you refuse to acknowledge this is baffling - other than to suggest that it's not on your script.
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    I thought Perdue was a chicken company. Are they lacing their chickens with drugs? Frank Perdue, the founder of the company made a big deal out of no antibiotics or growth hormones in their chickens. Did that not extend to fentanyl?
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