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    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    You can always go by the polls on the Lame Stream Media. Polling less than Politicians. Thats bad.


    Oh, I like using leftist sources when they get something Right to debunk leftists. Causes more conniption for leftists.


    But maybe you can make up a new science about it.
    If fauci claimed getting a Brazilian waxing would stop the Rona, doc would be first in line.
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    Okay, some "new" science. People with transplants take medications on a continuing basis to suppress their immune systems. Half of these people don't create antibodies even after a second vaccine. They're pleading for people not vaccinated to continue to wear masks and social distance. They are turning up in hospitals with Covid, sometimes leading to death. So when some one posts an anti mask program, you may be killing a transplant patient. But you knew that, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    New findings reported Tuesday in a University of Louisville study challenge what has been the prevailing belief that mask mandates are necessary to slow the spread of the Wuhan coronavirus. The study notes that "80% of US states mandated masks during the COVID-19 pandemic" and while "mandates induced greater mask compliance, [they] did not predict lower growth rates when community spread was low (minima) or high (maxima)." Among other things, the study—conducted using data from the CDC covering multiple seasons—reports that "mask mandates and use are not associated with lower SARS-CoV-2 spread among US states."


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    The first ecological study of state mask mandates and use to include winter data:"Case growth was independent of mandates at low and high rates of community spread, and mask use did not predict case growth during the Summer or Fall-Winter waves."https://medrxiv.org/content/10.110


    1/2021.05.18.21257385v1.full.pdf





    "Our findings do not support the hypothesis that SARS-CoV-2 transmission rates decrease with greater public mask use," notes the U of L report. Researchers stated that "masks may promote social cohesion as rallying symbols during a pandemic, but risk compensation can also occur" before listing some observed risks that accompany mask wearing:


    The study also noted that the mandates put in place by many states in line with CDC guidance at the time were "poor predictors of COVID-19 spread," according to the research:


    In summary, mask mandates and use were poor predictors of COVID-19 spread in US states. Case growth was independent of mandates at low and high rates of community spread, and mask use did not predict case growth during the Summer or Fall-Winter waves. Strengths of our study include using two mask metrics to evaluate association with COVID-19 growth rates; measuring normalized case growth in mandate and non-mandate states at comparable times to quantify the likely effect of mandates; and deconvolving the effect of mask use by examining case growth in states with variable mask use.....snip~


    Masks Didn't Slow COVID Spread: New Study by Spencer Brown (townhall.com)


    How long before Big Tech censors them? As this goes completely against what Democrats and Fauci had to say. What leftists connipted about.


    # Fire Fauci.
    Before assuming that the innumerable studies indicating the masking inhibits the spread of Covid-19 are all false, please note:
    A) This study has not yet been peer reviewed. (This is noted at the very top of each page of the paper (pre-print) in small print.)
    B) The study does not unequivocally state that masks don't prevent the spread of Covid-19, only that the use of masks is a poor predictor of the spread or non-spread of Covid-19. There is plenty of evidence of poor mask compliance in certain demographics i.e. people (primarily males) between the ages of 19 and 44 in states with mandates, which this study does not examine.

    Study Summary

    In summary, mask mandates and use were poor predictors of COVID-19 spread in US states. Case growth was independent of mandates at low and high rates of community spread, and mask use did not predict case growth during the Summer or Fall-Winter waves. Strengths of our study include using two mask metrics to evaluate association with COVID-19 growth rates; measuring normalized case growth in mandate and non-mandate states at comparable times to quantify the likely effect of mandates; and deconvolving the effect of mask use by examining case growth in states with variable mask use. Our study also has key limitations. We did not assess counties or localities, which may trend independently of state averages. While dense sampling promotes convergence, IHME masking estimates are subject to survey bias. We only assessed one biological quantity (confirmed and probable COVID-19 infections), but the ongoing pandemic warrants assessment of other factors such as hospitalizations and mortality. Future work is necessary to elucidate better predictors of COVID-19 spread. A recent study found that at typical respiratory fluence rates, medical masks decrease airway deposition of 10-20µm SARS-CoV-2 particles but not 1-5µm SARS-CoV-2 aerosols. Aerosol expulsion increases with COVID-19 disease severity in non-human primates, as well as with age and BMI in humans without COVID-19 [42] Aerosol treatment by enhanced ventilation and air purification could help reduce the size of COVID-19 outbreaks.
    28966804 (medrxiv.org)

    Here is another study from the same university regarding masking compliance issues in Jefferson County, KY:
    Results of the Observational Surveys of Mask Use and Protective Measures of Indoor Public Areas in Jefferson County, KY during November 5-11, 2020 (louisville.edu)

    Compliance issues have frequently been noted in the 19-44-year-old age group. Keep in mind that masks protect other people, so if unmasked people are running around shedding virus, people with masks are not protected.
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    The proper use of masks may help, but how many in the general population properly wear their masks?
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    I am pro mask, that being said, we would have never had to wear them in the first place had the WHO and CDC not suppressed the science on life saving medications, that also work as a prophylaxis.

    That being said, I do not think children should have to wear masks. But it doesn't really matter in the end, it is rare to see anyone wearing a proper mask. Scientifically speaking, a cloth mask doesn't cut it! I have always believed if we had worn the right masks, and sanitized we could have beat Covid, but I realized the public is not capable of wearing a mask properly or even wearing the right kind.

    Who can blame them though, masks suck. I have watched so many workers suffering behind their masks.
    We are all brothers and sisters in humanity. We are all made from the same dust of stars. We cannot be separated because all life is interconnected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    The proper use of masks may help, but how many in the general population properly wear their masks?
    From my observations, only about 50%. The rest have masks that are so gaping that they don't do anything, or they wear them below their nose or hanging off their chins.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    From my observations, only about 50%. The rest have masks that are so gaping that they don't do anything, or they wear them below their nose or hanging off their chins.
    Right. And pull the mask down to sneeze. I do that. Why walk around with snot all over the inside of your mask?

    Did our "leaders" expect that people would wear proper masks, and wear them properly?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Right. And pull the mask down to sneeze. I do that. Why walk around with snot all over the inside of your mask?

    Did our "leaders" expect that people would wear proper masks, and wear them properly?
    I tend to wear the disposable masks, so if it becomes befouled, I toss it in the nearest trash bin and put on a new one (I always have several in my bag). If you wear cloth masks you should always carry a spare. If you have a runny nose, then keeping tissues on hand is advisable in order to avoid unnecessarily sneezing into your mask and if your runny nose is unstoppable, it's probably better to stay home.

    It's not that most people don't know how to wear masks properly, they just don't want to and are convinced that wearing masks is an evil government plot or part of a global socialist conspiracy to deprive them of their freedom.
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    I have worn masks since March of 2020. Hand sanitizer. Distancing. No hand shaking etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    I tend to wear the disposable masks, so if it becomes befouled, I toss it in the nearest trash bin and put on a new one (I always have several in my bag). If you wear cloth masks you should always carry a spare. If you have a runny nose, then keeping tissues on hand is advisable in order to avoid unnecessarily sneezing into your mask and if your runny nose is unstoppable, it's probably better to stay home.

    It's not that most people don't know how to wear masks properly, they just don't want to and are convinced that wearing masks is an evil government plot or part of a global socialist conspiracy to deprive them of their freedom.
    It is that, even if they work, which they don't. If it weren't, it would have never been mandatory.
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