The shift in the American public’s political values

[jet57]

Not seen in the surveys and charts.

A life w experience chris. Watched the whole thing unfold and if you look at your data the lines move exactly as I indicated.

[Chris]

A life w experience chris. Watched the whole thing unfold and if you look at your data the lines move exactly as I indicated.

This thread is an exercise in critical thinking. Some facts from a survey are presented and you're asked what conclusions you can draw from those facts. Not go off on a tangent about your personal narrative.

[carolina73]

The real ideological and racial divisions in this country did get going with impeaching Clinton and then Mcconnell saying that "we are going to make Obama a one term president". Along with far right media, the division has only been encouraged and widened.

On what issues did the Right move more to the right?

The only thing I saw was the rejection of neoconservatism which was pulling the party to the left on globalism and abortion.

The current conservative is not further right than Reagan, Ford, Nixon, Eisenhower.

[jet57]

On what issues did the Right move more to the right?

The only thing I saw was the rejection of neoconservatism which was pulling the party to the left on globalism and abortion.

The current conservative is not further right than Reagan, Ford, Nixon, Eisenhower.

Well the right moved closer to just just plain division in government based on ideological knee jerk reactionary behavior toward anything in the Democratic agenda. You'll remember that Mcconnell stymied the legislative process so that he could that the Dems had a do nothing congress. That has been the practice sine Clinton really. Neoconservatism was about the free market and laissez-faire. "Globalism" as I shown is a conservative market agenda. The Clintons adopted neoconservatism with NAFTA and Wall Street which is what cost Hillary any chance of a presidential election. The Republicans, especially under Trump have continued to block any progress and have moved further and further away from the Democratic processesd upon which we were founded and have continued to invent enemies that they can blame.

[carolina73]

Well the right moved closer to just just plain division in government based on ideological knee jerk reactionary behavior toward anything in the Democratic agenda. You'll remember that Mcconnell stymied the legislative process so that he could that the Dems had a do nothing congress. That has been the practice sine Clinton really. Neoconservatism was about the free market and laissez-faire. "Globalism" as I shown is a conservative market agenda. The Clintons adopted neoconservatism with NAFTA and Wall Street which is what cost Hillary any chance of a presidential election. The Republicans, especially under Trump have continued to block any progress and have moved further and further away from the Democratic processesd upon which we were founded and have continued to invent enemies that they can blame.

Little of that says anything about the parties. Both sides have become obstructionists to the other.
Globalism from neoconservatives has been rejected by the right for at least the immediate future. The left has absorbed it. Don't forget that the neocons mostly came from the Democrats even though the left's rejection of religion was the primary reason they moved away.

I still stand by the Democrats are floating away and increasing the divide. The Republicans are where they were during the last century..

[jet57]

Little of that says anything about the parties. Both sides have become obstructionists to the other.
Globalism from neoconservatives has been rejected by the right for at least the immediate future. The left has absorbed it. Don't forget that the neocons mostly came from the Democrats even though the left's rejection of religion was the primary reason they moved away.

I still stand by the Democrats are floating away and increasing the divide. The Republicans are where they were during the last century..

The Dems became obstructionists to what? You keep denying market globalism, which is real for the right and the corporate and you keep trying to name it as some sort of Kumbaya that is not a part of market globalism.

[jet57]

This thread is an exercise in critical thinking. Some facts from a survey are presented and you're asked what conclusions you can draw from those facts. Not go off on a tangent about your personal narrative.

Well, you don't know what critical thinking is chris; that's already been established. Your OP is incomplete and you're denying your own data.

So, last chance for you to say something substantive, or I'm simply gonna dump your thread.

[Chris]

Well the right moved closer to just just plain division in government based on ideological knee jerk reactionary behavior toward anything in the Democratic agenda. You'll remember that Mcconnell stymied the legislative process so that he could that the Dems had a do nothing congress. That has been the practice sine Clinton really. Neoconservatism was about the free market and laissez-faire. "Globalism" as I shown is a conservative market agenda. The Clintons adopted neoconservatism with NAFTA and Wall Street which is what cost Hillary any chance of a presidential election. The Republicans, especially under Trump have continued to block any progress and have moved further and further away from the Democratic processesd upon which we were founded and have continued to invent enemies that they can blame.

The opposition opposes, obviously.

Neocons were ex-communists, ex-Trotskyites, ex-liberals, groups opposed to the free market.

Globalism is conservative--now we're entering the theater of the absurd.

What'd you do during your vacation, jet, study mamooth?

[Omar]

Looks to me like the Republicans have remained pretty stable, while the Democrats keep drifting further left. If we're growing farther apart (and we are), it's because the Democrats are widening the gap, it's not us.

[MMC]

I can't help but notice the rather profound change that took place between 2015 and 2017 that just happens to coincide with the election campaign and halfway through Trump's first year in office. (The survey dates go to July 9, 2017).

Yes that was when Pelosi and the Democrats declared the resistance in 2017 remember? You know Right after the violent protests all across the country when Trump won. Then Hillary running around saying the election was stolen. Trump was illegitimate. Resist. You know doing that undermining of Democracy and election stuff. You know after 40 Democrats refused to show up for the Inaugural.


Did you notice all of that too?