Government vs Country

[RichardMZhlubb]

* It has nothing to do with treason or being a traitor.*

Well, that rules out insurrection. You be comin round ol boy.

My point is that the officer who shot her did so to protect members of Congress. He didn’t care what her political motivation was. It doesn’t in any way change the fact that the mob was involved in an attempted insurrection.

[Peter1469]

My point is that the officer who shot her did so to protect members of Congress. He didn’t care what her political motivation was. It doesn’t in any way change the fact that the mob was involved in an attempted insurrection.

He or she committed murder.

[RichardMZhlubb]

He or she committed murder.

She was part of a mob that was trying to break into a secure area in the House with a single armed law enforcement officer standing between them and the House Chamber. It’s a tragedy that she chose to be the lead person climbing through the broken window, but it’s her fault for doing so.

[Peter1469]

She was part of a mob that was trying to break into a secure area in the House with a single armed law enforcement officer standing between them and the House Chamber. It’s a tragedy that he chose to be the lead person climbing through the broken window, but it’s her fault for doing so.

Goaded by antifa/blm John Sullivan who filmed it.

The cop still had no reason to use lethal force. The cop murdered her.

[Dr. Who]

There is an ongoing twitter war about Ashli Babbitt's murder with many of those supporting left wing ideology claiming Ms Babbitt was a traitor to her country because she opposed the government. This brings up a serious question i.e. "Is the government the same as the country" When I joined the Navy I took an oath to "support and defend the CONSTITUTION from all enemies, both foreign and domestic and to bear true faith and alliance to the same". Was Ms Babbitt a traitor because she believed the GOVERNMENT was not following the Constitution or should anything the government does be treated as solemn law. There were many prior to Kent State that thought the United States government was wrong in being involved in Vietnam. Until Kent State no one was shot and killed. No one considered these protester to be "traitors" to the United States.

So this begs the question, just what represents treason to the United States?

Treason is defined as an action of betrayal against a country - something that aids its enemies. The word country is a catchall word. It comprises, the state, the government and the nation. A state is the legal, internationally recognized sovereignty over a territory as well as its constituted institutions that provide the administration for its government. A government is, in a democracy, the elected body of representatives or in a dictatorship, it's the dictator and chosen administrators. A nation is the people.

Language is however, often imprecise, because aiding an enemy of the state is considered an act of treason. The word government is often used synonymously with the word state because the government manages the state.

[hanger4]

My point is that the officer who shot her did so to protect members of Congress. He didn’t care what her political motivation was. It doesn’t in any way change the fact that the mob was involved in an attempted insurrection.

*It doesn’t in any way change the fact that the mob was involved in an attempted insurrection.*

Yet nobody has been charged with insurrection or attempted insurrection.

[Peter1469]

*It doesn’t in any way change the fact that the mob was involved in an attempted insurrection.*

Yet nobody has been charged with insurrection or attempted insurrection.

Not sure why the progs keep saying that....

[jet57]

Foolish.

You? Yes. Nothing cogent to say as usual, and what exactly makes it wrong.

[jet57]

Explain please how walking into a building and then climbing thru a window, unarmed constitutes a violent attack on the government.

So, in your opinion any disagreement with government actions equals treason.

Regarding Kent State, my only purpose of mentioning Kent State was because those students were shot and killed for simply protesting the Vietnam war. And like Ms Babbitt they were unarmed.

Do you think anyone who protest a government action deserves to be gunned down.

Let me ask you this: Who else besides Ms Babbitt was shot on that day? Secondly, did the murder of Ms Babbitt stop the trespassers entering the Capitol building? Can you provide the names and extent of the injuries of any Capitol police or civilians connected directly with the Capitol building who were injured? Reports say over a hundred "people" were injured. How many were police and how many were the protesters?

Or does that matter to you?

It is my considered opinion that this was a misguided attempt to stop Congress from casting a ballot. Unless the protesters were attempting another suicide attack like the Harper's Ferry Arsenal attack it was a very pointless and thoughtless protest. Their mistake was entering the building but I believe Ms Babbitt or someone else would have been a victim even if they never went beyond the Capitol steps because the reason for shooting her was to foment actual violence.

(chuckle)

You act like they were on a 8th grade field trip! "walking into a building"??? That's your first lie.

Disagreeing with government and outright attacking it while it's in session are two completely different things. That's your second lie. Your third lie is trying to draw a false equivalency between Jan 6th and Kent state. Those college students were not attacking the capital or anybody else. Trying to draw some sort of connection is a sick thing to do.

Reports are that on Jan 6th 2021, 5 people died. You said it almost correct however: "It is my considered opinion that this was a misguided attempt to stop Congress from casting a ballot." There was nothing misguided about it at all. "Stop The Steal" was a real movement spreading on social media aimed at an insurrection on Jan 6th and that is exactly what happened. This denial and attempt to weep it under the rug by lying about only shows that the far right cares absolutely nothing about the welfare of this country and is just egging on a fight ala 1861.

[RichardMZhlubb]

Not sure why the progs keep saying that....

I’d say that I’m not sure why the Trumpers insist that the intent of the January 6 mob can be discerned exclusively from the specific criminal charges filed, but I do know why you guys say that. It’s because you would rather deflect attention from the profoundly anti-American and anti-democratic actions of the mob and the president who instigated the whole thing. Just because prosecutors chose not to try to prove the specific intent of individual rioters doesn’t change the obvious fact that they were all there to disrupt the Constitutionally mandated process of declaring Joe Biden the winner of the election. It was an insurrection no matter what the Trump apologists claim.