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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Right, social security. Same kind of reform happened in the US to stave off socialism.
    I forget exactly what but I think Imperial Germany granted unemployment benefits and things like that. Yeah, it was very similar to what the US did 50 years later.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    I forget exactly what but I think Imperial Germany granted unemployment benefits and things like that. Yeah, it was very similar to what the US did 50 years later.
    Yes they did. Only to counter the socialists and communists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Right, social security. Same kind of reform happened in the US to stave off socialism.
    It merely delayed it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    The quote you cite, https://thepoliticalforums.com/threa...=1#post3272205, came from your source. It was your source that attributed socialism to the Nazis:



    My next post, https://thepoliticalforums.com/threa...=1#post3272206, again cites from your source:




    Your new quote merely dances around the topic: "Were the Nazis socialists? No, not in any meaningful way, and certainly not after 1934." Then it veers off into other topic.


    Moreover, the question you're running away from as I said quite clearly is your claim the Nazis had no welfare programs. SO I'll repost it here:




    Now you've been kicked twice.
    Nope: from the same source:
    although the Nazis did pursue a level of government intervention in the economy that would shock doctrinaire free marketeers, their Ďsocialismí was at best a secondary element in their appeal. Indeed, most supporters of Nazism embraced the party precisely because they saw it as an enemy of and an alternative to the political left.


    As for Nationalsozialistische Volkswohlfahrt, it was established before Hitler became chancellor. After 1933, that changed to what was really "Party Control": https://www.jstor.org/stable/3786221

    You don't see the trees for the forest chris. Adolph Hitler embraced corporate power and conservatism that only helped him cement control of the country to his far right-wing ideology. You are cherry picking and parsing to try and win the debate, but the over arching conclusion is that Nazism and the left, or socialism, had nothing to do with one another once Hitler gained power of the government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carolina73 View Post
    What part the the states reforms would be illegal or unconstitutional?

    Where do you get your knowledge from?
    The right-wing states are setting up a maze to control voting rights. It's the same sort of tactic as a poll tax or a literacy requirement. That type of leading with a leash is a form of suppression.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carolina73 View Post
    Was this true before COVID?
    Because this is the first time that such procedures were used with no checks and security.

    Why would you all of a sudden claim foul?
    This type of legislation and covid have nothing to do with one another in my view. I claim foul because now that as many poor and disaffected people as possible were encouraged to vote in order to get Trump out of office successfully, now the right wants to change the rules on order to control votes from the left and those who are against right-wing influence in government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Nope: from the same source:

    [/FONT][/COLOR]As for Nationalsozialistische Volkswohlfahrt, it was established before Hitler became chancellor. After 1933, that changed to what was really "Party Control": https://www.jstor.org/stable/3786221

    You don't see the trees for the forest chris. Adolph Hitler embraced corporate power and conservatism that only helped him cement control of the country to his far right-wing ideology. You are cherry picking and parsing to try and win the debate, but the over arching conclusion is that Nazism and the left, or socialism, had nothing to do with one another once Hitler gained power of the government.
    although the Nazis did pursue a level of government intervention in the economy that would shock doctrinaire free marketeers, their ‘socialism’ was at best a secondary element in their appeal. Indeed, most supporters of Nazism embraced the party precisely because they saw it as an enemy of and an alternative to the political left.
    Says they were socialists.

    Regardless when Nationalsozialistische Volkswohlfahrt was established, the Nazis continued it. Nazis had social welfare. You were wrong.

    National socialists against global communists, both on the left, fighting for control of a weak, right-wing, conservative government.

    You're once again abusing the meaning of corporate. Fascist corporations have nothing to do with today's corporations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    The right-wing states are setting up a maze to control voting rights. It's the same sort of tactic as a poll tax or a literacy requirement. That type of leading with a leash is a form of suppression.
    Protecting the integrity of the vote is good and important. I understand the hard left rejects that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    This type of legislation and covid have nothing to do with one another in my view. I claim foul because now that as many poor and disaffected people as possible were encouraged to vote in order to get Trump out of office successfully, now the right wants to change the rules on order to control votes from the left and those who are against right-wing influence in government.
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    although the Nazis did pursue a level of government intervention in the economy that would shock doctrinaire free marketeers, their ‘socialism’ was at best a secondary element in their appeal.
    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    ...You don't see the trees for the forest chris. Adolph Hitler embraced corporate power and conservatism that only helped him cement control of the country to his far right-wing ideology. You are cherry picking and parsing to try and win the debate, but the over arching conclusion is that Nazism and the left, or socialism, had nothing to do with one another once Hitler gained power of the government.
    The post you cited shows the national socialists were socialists. Thanks.
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