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    You felt "traumatized and abused" by the fact that Trump was President?

    Why?
    “Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in pursuit of justice is no virtue.” - Barry Goldwater

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    Quote Originally Posted by IMPress Polly View Post
    Calm yourself, padawan. My own counsel will I keep on who is to be trained! A Jedi must have the deepest commitment; the most serious mind.

    Don't flatter yourself. I still think you're basically a bunch of delusional xenophobes; most of you anyway. But I do feel that surviving the Trump era has made me a stronger person with more perspective on life in a sense. I've weathered a lot of abusive, narcissistic relationships in my life, and surviving the Trump era was a matter of learning to approach politics the same way I've learned to approach those sorts of relationships in general. The main thing is to not take mistreatment personally because there's nothing you can do to change that person's behavior for the better. The second thing is to know when it's time to step away because one can only take so much before they simply need some space to recharge.

    Learning not to take politics less personally and to take lots of time away from it has been an immense help and has brought me a lot more peace and calm! These coping strategies have been enough to make things livable for me here. It hasn't been enough to make things livable for me on progressive forums, by contrast, so I don't hang around those anymore. I don't think progressives have generally recovered from the trauma of the Trump presidency. The thing about trauma and abuse is that these things often reproduce themselves in their survivors. Rape makes more rapists. Hate begets more hate. Racism makes racists of people. People become their abusers. That's their final victory over you; the people who abuse you absorb your soul and remake you in their own image. I feel that that's what's happening on the left at this time. We all just survived a very traumatizing, abusive event, and the survivors are becoming much like their oppressors in response. They're behaving like trauma survivors. They're becoming more narcissistic and intolerant and controlling and really can't be satisfied. Too much so for me right now. Emotions are running high and the left hasn't moved on from the last four years so quickly as I've managed to, I suspect in part because I'm pretty used to these kinds of relationships and know how to survive them from a lifetime of experience and most people really don't.

    The bottom line is that politics are devolving into a form of abuse. That needs to stop. We all need to take $#@! less seriously and learn to look for the good things in other people.

    Well, I think you should brace yourself for a lot more trauma to come.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cletus View Post
    You felt "traumatized and abused" by the fact that Trump was President?

    Why?
    You really need an explanation? Really? Like you never saw the Twitter account or listened to even one speech?

    It would take days just to list all the $#@! I could here, so let's keep things simple by just starting out with one aspect, which is that Trump was not a sexist, he was a cartoon. The guy literally owned beauty pageants and strip clubs and was recorded plainly admitting to an entire, highly believable lifestyle of voyeurism and sexual assault that literally hundreds of women stepped forward to confirm their experience with, and somehow got (technically) elected anyway despite having exactly zero qualifications for the job he was seeking. And the man's family fortune came from a brothel his grandfather owned in New York. President. Best candidate for the job. And was one seriously expected to miss the fact that this was the man chosen to run against the one who'd have been the first female president or just write that up to coincidence as if it weren't an intentional choice meant to signal the extremity of conservatives' collective hostility to the whole idea of there ever being a woman president? The Democrats nominate a woman for the first time and the Republicans respond not just with a man, but specifically with a $#@!ing cartoon misogynist you couldn't make up 'by coincidence'. Not a coincidence. Under no other circumstances could such a man as that been elected president.

    Guy gets (technically) elected and acts very much like he possesses the corresponding attitude indeed, picking a bunch of wife beaters to staff his cabinet and supporting every pedophile and sexual predator he comes across with an R by their name (e.g. Roy Moore, personally nominated Brett Kavanaugh, etc.) and becomes the first sitting president to personally attend the annual march for forced motherhood. And also does not renew the Violence Against Women Act. Even pays off porn stars so they won't disclose their affairs with him that were had while he was married to his brainless fashion model trophy wife decades his junior.

    I know a few things about working in strip clubs and brothels and I know what the attitudes of the owners are. Yes, that this man managed to win somehow, but even more so under the aforementioned circumstances, reopened old wounds. It was painful beyond belief. People here will recall that I left the VIPs here on tPF and had to quit posting for months in response. That's how painful it was and how intensely it felt like everyone, my whole country, hated me for being me and also pretty much everything I ever stood for for that matter. If it hadn't been for the Women's March the following January, I honestly don't know what I'd have done. It was really, really intense depression. And I mean Trump's not exactly the consoling type either, ya know? He's the type who likes to pour salt on wounds because that's how he gets his rocks off, so that's what he did at every turn. That the 2017 Women's March turned out to be the biggest single-day demonstration in American history and polled with the support of some 60% of the women of this country was absolutely the factor that stabilized me emotionally. Just like I needed that basic reassurance that this wasn't most people, that my country didn't hate me, that women didn't hate women that much. I just needed the catharsis and validation of it to know that I wasn't crazy after all for feeling the way I did or alone in my pain; that lots of other women, most in fact, felt similarly. From there my prevailing emotion went from extreme depression to anger, and that was a better state to be in. Right now, at this point, I would say that I'm in a place of calm and better understanding. I wasn't ready to be understanding of the 2016 election for a while. I just needed space to be allowed to be in pain and to vent and protest. For a good while, I would even just turn off any report that criticized Democrats, close out any window that included such criticisms, and avoid any and all left wing infighting like it was the coronavirus not because I liked Democrats (I didn't even vote for Hillary Clinton!), but because it was like contextually a validation of this monster in my eyes. That's called trauma and it was real and I was far, far, FAAAAR from alone in experiencing it.

    And here I have just barely scratched the surface of the kind of abuse and trauma that our former president (I just love saying that phrase: former president) visited upon much of this nation. I haven't touched on any policies and promises besides those dealing specifically with women here even! Just the beginning.

    Different people respond to trauma differently. Some don't have the tools necessary to cope. Some take more time to heal than others. Most people in fact never truly heal, but only improve.
    Last edited by IMPress Polly; 06-12-2021 at 11:52 PM.

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    Well, I guess some people are just easily traumatized.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abby08 View Post
    Well, I think you should brace yourself for a lot more trauma to come.
    I'm indeed braced for a lot more mistreatment. Like I said, I've accepted that that's the new normal of what politics are now and I know how to survive it. Can't help wishing I didn't have to though.
    Last edited by IMPress Polly; 06-13-2021 at 12:03 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cletus View Post
    Well, I guess some people are just easily traumatized.
    Or that some people were routinely othered and attacked by the last president while others (like yourself) were not and so did not suffer from it.

    Narcissists tend to divide their subjects into proverbial golden children who can do no wrong because they bring him praise and scapegoats who are blamed and punished for everything because they don't bring him praise. You peeps here were the golden kids of the Trump presidency. Of course you weren't offended or hurt by it.
    Last edited by IMPress Polly; 06-13-2021 at 12:00 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IMPress Polly View Post
    Or that some people were routinely othered and attacked by the last president while others (like yourself) were not and so did not suffer from it.

    Narcissists tend to divide their subjects into proverbial golden children who can do no wrong because they bring him praise and scapegoats who are blamed and punished for everything because they don't bring him praise. You peeps here were the golden kids of the Trump presidency. Of course you weren't offended or hurt by it.

    How did he attack you? I'm genuinely curious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IMPress Polly View Post
    Or that some people were routinely othered and attacked by the last president while others (like yourself) were not and so did not suffer from it.
    President Trump attacked you?

    How, when, where?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abby08 View Post
    How did he attack you? I'm genuinely curious.
    Cletus wrote:
    President Trump attacked you?

    How, when, where?
    For just some of it, I'll refer you back to post #23 because it took me a good while to write. I've spent a lot of time talking about Trump on this thread tonight and it's past 1 AM here and I'm ready to be done with doing so for one night and get some sleep.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    You have this weird thing about Christians.
    My telling obviously didnt do the scene justice. I guess you would really have to see it. The point was that the father had taught his children not to ridicule others or speak ill of them, and he was confronted with the fact that he'd allowed his own agnosticism to confound his lessons on tolerance.
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