Why does the Left hate the working class?

[Mister D]

There is never a good reason to incarcerate innocent people, regardless of color.

I agree. What's your point?

[Dr. Who]

It's the same picture. Blacks commit a grossly disproportionate amount of crime in the US and Canada.

It's not disproportionate relative to impoverished populations, in fact it would seem that poor blacks commit slightly less crime per capita than poor whites.

[MMC]

Here are some statistics that may surprise you. While black crime appears disproportionate when compared to white crime based on their respective shares of the population, if you examine the per capita crime rates relative to the poor portions of each demographic, you see a different picture:



According to the 2019 U.S. Census Bureau Estimates whites comprised 60.3% of the population and blacks comprised 13.4%
Race and ethnicity in the United States - Wikipedia


The total population in 2019 was 330,150,668List of U.S. states by population - Simple English Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In 2019 the official poverty rate was 10.5%
The poverty rate for whites was 9.1% (of 60.3%)
The poverty rate for blacks was 18.8% (of 13.4%)
Income and Poverty in the United States: 2019 (census.gov)

A few calculations:
330,150,668
X 60.3%
=199,080,852.80
X 9.1%
= 18,116,357.60 poor whites


330,150,668
X 13.4%
= 44,240,189.51
X 18.8%
= 8,317,155.62 poor blacks

Crime is overwhelmingly committed by the poor. If you calculate per capita arrest rates relative to the poor population:


Per the FBI Crime in the United States – Arrests by ethnicity: FBI— Table 43
total white arrests in 2019: 4,729,290 or 26.10% of 18,116,357.60
total black arrests in 2019: 1,815,144 or 21.82% of 8,317,155.62


Total arrests for Murder and Nonnegligent Manslaughter:
Whites: 7,964 or 4.4% of 18,116,363.62
Blacks: 3,650 or 4.38% of 8,317,155.62

We must also acknowledge that racism is not primarily responsible for the struggles of the black community. Fatherlessness is.


Activist and #Blexit founder Candace Owens declares, “The biggest issue facing black America is father absence.”
Former NAACP president Kweisi Mfume, when asked if white racism or the absence of fathers posed a greater threat to black

Americans, replied without hesitation, “The absence of black fathers.”

Given the devastation fatherlessness visits on black children, you would think racial justice activists would sound the alarm. Yet Black Lives Matter openly seeks to “disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family,” the only institution that, through marriage, binds children to their fathers.

Today, black children face an overwhelming injustice, being denied en masse the benefits of growing up in a married home. Only 17 percent of black kids make it to their high school graduation living exclusively with their married mother and father. That means 83 percent of black youth are suffering the loss of a parent or the instability of split homes. That’s an emotional starvation rate an order of magnitude greater than any other racial group.



Does Racism Cause Fatherlessness?

Some recognize the problem of father absence in the black community but object, “Racism is causing fatherlessness!” If that were true, the plight of the black family would have been far worse in eras of overt racism. Instead, early 20th-century black women married at higher rates than their white counterparts.
As the nation emerged from Jim Crow, 25 percent of black children were born to unwed mothers. Today that statistic is 72 percent. Instances of racism exist today, but you would be hard-pressed to argue anti-black racism is worse now than in 1900 or 1964.
If racism were the primary problem, Nigerian Americans also would not be among the most successful immigrant groups in our country, but they are. Much of their success can be attributed to strong marriages and strong families. In Nigeria, only 4 percent of children are raised in single-parent households, compared to the overall U.S. rate of 23 percent.



Leftist Policies Feed Poverty

Racism is not primarily responsible for the dissolution of the black family. Leftist policies are. Renowned economist Thomas Sowell explains, “The black family, which had survived centuries of slavery and discrimination, began rapidly disintegrating in the liberal welfare state that subsidized unwed pregnancy and changed welfare from an emergency rescue to a way of life.” This way of life has kept many black children stuck in cycles of generational poverty.


But because family breakdown, not racism, is overwhelmingly responsible for high rates of child poverty, the solution is found in marriage. The success sequence — 1) get at least a high school degree, 2) get a full-time job, and 3) get married before having any children — lifts 91 percent of youth out of poverty. Marriage is our greatest anti-poverty weapon.


Father Absence Increases Crime

Regardless of their race, children who grow up without dads, especially boys, are more likely to commit violent crime. Fathers teach children different lessons than mothers do. One of those vital lessons is teaching children to police themselves through rough-and-tumble play, straight talk, and a disciplinary style inclined toward getting kids to take responsibility for their actions.
Fathers provide their sons a role model of what a strong and self-controlled man looks like, and for daughters they model what a father and husband should be. When a father fails, or is flat-out absent, a young man is more likely to encounter his first enforced boundaries at the hands of police. Prisons could be renamed “centers for dad-deprived boys,” and black boys are dad-deprived more than any other demographic.



Fathers Foster Academic Success

Blaming systemic police racism for the struggles of black Americans is easier than doing the hard work of building and repairing families, but if we seek real change, our energies need to be focused on the hard work — or the home work. As senior fellow at Stanford University’s Hoover Institution Shelby Steele notes, “You can have the police go to as many sensitivity trainings as you want, it’s not going to read a story to a child at night before he goes to sleep so he’s developing his mind … [and] serious about the academic and educational development [needed] … in order to be successful.”


Steele understands how father absence affects the racial achievement gap. While it’s true that black students are often unfairly disadvantaged by living in districts with poorly performing schools, family plays an often ignored role in school success.


What happens when fathers, regardless of race, marry the mothers of their children? They raise successful students. A meta-analysis of 30 studies found student success has infinitely more to do with family than with race. The researchers concluded, “The family elements that were most strongly associated with a reduction in the achievement gap were coming from a two-biological-parent family and high levels of parental involvement.”
Even more interesting, when the study factored in the religious faith of an intact family, “The achievement gap totally disappeared” (emphasis added). When their emotional needs are met in the home of their married mother and father, black students are just as capable of academic success as kids from any other racial group.


The only institution to which today’s black children are routinely denied is marriage. Their plight won’t improve until they receive equal access to this foundational institution, which unites the two people to whom children have a natural right — their mother and father — for life......snip~


To Reduce Disparities, We Must Acknowledge Black Fathers Matter (thefederalist.com)

[Mister D]

It's not disproportionate relative to impoverished populations, in fact it would seem that poor blacks commit slightly less crime per capita than poor whites.

Blacks are disproportionately poor, less educated, have lower IQs, more chronic health conditions and are more likely to have had a single parent but none of that is relevant. Fact: Blacks commit a grossly disproportionate amount of crime. There is no conspiracy, Dr. Who. The prison populations are dark because blacks have far higher rates of criminality. Period.

[Jeb!]

It's not disproportionate relative to impoverished populations, in fact it would seem that poor blacks commit slightly less crime per capita than poor whites.

Very unlikely. West Virginia is a homogeneous poor white state and has a below average crime rate.

[Peter1469]

Blacks are disproportionately poor, less educated, have lower IQs, more chronic health conditions and are more likely to have had a single parent but none of that is relevant. Fact: Blacks commit a grossly disproportionate amount of crime. There is no conspiracy, Dr. Who. The prison populations are dark because blacks have far higher rates of criminality. Period.

Her attempt to slice out poor whites from whites to compare to blacks was odd. Defection, or desperation, I am not sure which. Or is it like Joe* saying poor kids are just as smart as white kids?

[Mister D]

Her attempt to slice out poor whites from whites to compare to blacks was odd. Defection, or desperation, I am not sure which. Or is it like Joe* saying poor kids are just as smart as white kids?

IMO, some progressives genuinely believe that acknowledging reality (in this case, grossly disproportionate crime rates) is somehow unfair and will lead to hatred and lynch mobs. It's bizarre because we all know what neighborhoods to avoid and we all know who lives in them but we're expected to avoid any public acknowledgement of it.

[Dr. Who]

Her attempt to slice out poor whites from whites to compare to blacks was odd. Defection, or desperation, I am not sure which. Or is it like Joe* saying poor kids are just as smart as white kids?

Most street crime is committed by poor people and most violent 'street' crime involves young males between the ages of 16 and 25, from poor often urban neighborhoods, regardless of race. If you look at the white prison population, the vast majority do not come from either middle or high income families, with the exception of the perpetrators of white collar crime. Many of the same factors that contribute to black poverty also contribute to white poverty i.e. single mothers raising children, poor parenting skills, no male role model, violence and drug abuse in the home etc. Why would white males coming from these situations fare any better than black males? While the overall percentage of whites living in poverty is lower than poverty among blacks, I would suggest that the per capita rate of criminality is relatively equal as between these impoverished communities. The oft cited claim that blacks disproportionately commit crime (relative to the total black population) is a result of a disproportionate rate of poverty, not a predisposition toward criminal behavior, something that seems to be lost in the overall narrative that creates the perception that blacks are inherently less trustworthy and more dangerous than whites.

[Mister D]

Most street crime is committed by poor people and most violent 'street' crime involves young males between the ages of 16 and 25, from poor often urban neighborhoods, regardless of race. If you look at the white prison population, the vast majority do not come from either middle or high income families, with the exception of the perpetrators of white collar crime. Many of the same factors that contribute to black poverty also contribute to white poverty i.e. single mothers raising children, poor parenting skills, no male role model, violence and drug abuse in the home etc. Why would white males coming from these situations fare any better than black males? While the overall percentage of whites living in poverty is lower than poverty among blacks, I would suggest that the per capita rate of criminality is relatively equal as between these impoverished communities. The oft cited claim that blacks disproportionately commit crime (relative to the total black population) is a result of a disproportionate rate of poverty, not a predisposition toward criminal behavior, something that seems to be lost in the overall narrative that creates the perception that blacks are inherently less trustworthy and more dangerous than whites.

The cause or causes of the grossly disproportionate black crime rate are not relevant. You appear to be addressing your own fears and anxiety rather than the positions other members are taking. In a less generous mood, I would say you're erecting a straw man. The grossly disproportionate black crime rate is not an oft cited claim. It is an indisputable fact and blacks are statistically much more dangerous than whites. We could discuss why that might be but I can't even get some of you to acknowledge that reality.

[stephenpe]

The cause or causes of the grossly disproportionate black crime rate are not relevant. You appear to be addressing your own fears and anxiety rather than the positions other members are taking.

The hypocrisy is breathtaking with that comment. When it comes to fears this forum is all about the fears of what libs and blacks are doing to America. He points out the obvious and you deflect or even lie. I worked with and taught many black people. Very few fit your metric. But your world is safer for you believing your "statistics".