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    Questions About the FBI's Role in 1/6 Are Mocked Because the FBI Shapes Liberal Cor

    Glenn Greenwald looks into the story that the FBI was involved in the Jan 6 Capitol riot. It is less conspiratorial that Tucker Carlson and Resolver News' version, but still does not put the FBI in a good light.

    It is similar to many of the post 9-11 "sting" operations against American Muslims in the US who the FBI baited into attempting to commit terrorism in the US. As the article put it, those terror attacks were not ISIS inspired but rather led by the FBI.


    Questions About the FBI's Role in 1/6 Are Mocked Because the FBI Shapes Liberal Corporate Media


    The axis of liberal media outlets and their allied activist groupsCNN,NBC News,The Washington Post, Media Matters — are in an angry uproar over a recent report questioning the foreknowledge and involvement of the FBI in the January 6 Capitol riot. As soon as that new report was published on Monday, a consensus instantly emerged in these liberal media precincts that this is an unhinged, ignorant and insane conspiracy theory that deserves no consideration.


    The original report, published by Revolver News and then amplified by Fox News’ Tucker Carlson, documented ample evidence of FBI infiltration of the three key groups at the center of the 1/6 investigation — the Oath Keepers, the Proud Boys, and the Three Percenters — and noted how many alleged riot leaders from these groups have not yet been indicted. While low-level protesters have been aggressively charged with major felonies and held without bail, many of the alleged plot leaders have thus far been shielded from charges.


    The implications of these facts are obvious. It seems extremely likely that the FBI had numerous ways to know of any organized plots regarding the January 6 riot (just as the U.S. intelligence community, by its own admission, had ample advanced clues of the 9/11 attack but, according to their excuse, tragicallyfailed to “connect the dots”). There is no doubt that the FBI has infiltrated at least some if not all of these groups — which it has beenwarning for yearspose a grave national security threat — with informants and/or undercover spies. It is known that Proud Boys leader Enrique Tarrio hasserved as an FBI informant in the past,and the disrupted 2020 plot by Three Percenters members to kidnap Gov. Gretchen Whitmer (D-MI) wasshaped and drivenby what TheWall Street Journal reportedwere the FBI’s “undercover agents and confidential informants.”

    What would be shocking and strange is not if the FBI had embedded informants and other infiltrators in the groups planning the January 6 Capitol riot. What would be shocking and strange — bizarre and inexplicable — is if the FBI did not have those groupsunder tight control. And yet the suggestion that FBI informants may have played some role in the planning of the January 6 riot was instantly depicted as something akin to, say, 9/11 truth theories or questions about the CIA’s role in JFK’s assassination or, until a few weeks ago, the COVID lab-leak theory: as something that, from the perspective of Respectable Serious Circles, only a barely-sane, tin-foil-hat-wearing lunatic would even entertain.


    This reaction is particularly confounding given how often the FBI did exactly this during the first War on Terror, and how commonplace discussions of this tactic were in mainstream liberal circles. Over the last decade, I reported on countless cases for The Guardian and The Intercept where the FBI targeted some young American Muslims they viewed as easily manipulated — due to financial distress, emotional problems, or both — and then deployed informants and undercover agents to dupe them into agreeing to join terrorist plots that had been created, designed and funded by the FBI itself, only to then congratulate themselves for breaking up the plot which they themselves initiated. As I asked in one headline about a particularly egregious entrapment case: “Why Does the FBI Have to Manufacture its Own Plots if Terrorism and ISIS Are Such Grave Threats?”
    In 2011, Mother Jones published an outstanding, lengthy investigation by reporter Trevor Aaronson, entitled “The Informations,” which asked: “The FBI has built a massive network of spies to prevent another domestic attack. But are they busting terrorist plots—or leading them?” Aaronson covered numerous similar cases for The Intercept where the FBI designed, directed and even funded the terror plots and other criminal rings they then boasted of disrupting. A widely praised TEDTalk by Aaronson, which, in the words of organizers, “reveals a disturbing FBI practice that breeds terrorist plots by exploiting Muslim-Americans with mental health problems,” featured this central claim: “There's an organization responsible for more terrorism plots in the United States than al-Qaeda, al-Shabaab and ISIS combined: The FBI.”


    So far from being some warped conspiracy theory, that the FBI purposely targets vulnerable people and infiltrates groups in order to create attacks and direct targets to engage in them is indisputably true, well established, and a commonly reported fact in mainstream liberal media. Exactly that has been happening for decades.

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    It’s highly likely that the FBI had informants or even undercover agents among the Trump cultists that stormed the Capitol. It could explain the nearly 500 arrests that have been made. But it wasn’t the FBI that instructed the mob to storm the building.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Common Sense View Post
    It’s highly likely that the FBI had informants or even undercover agents among the Trump cultists that stormed the Capitol. It could explain the nearly 500 arrests that have been made. But it wasn’t the FBI that instructed the mob to storm the building.
    I should have tPFed this.

    If you bothered to read the article you would find that Glenn’s conclusion was that the FBI infiltrated the big three right wing movements and their informants led the violent actions on Jan 6 that took place within the broader context of the MAGA protest.

    (Glenn should not forget that antifa/blm were there too; John Sullivan videoed his groups actions that day and the shooting of the unarmed civilian woman.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    I should have tPFed this.

    If you bothered to read the article you would find that Glenn’s conclusion was that the FBI infiltrated the big three right wing movements and their informants led the violent actions on Jan 6 that took place within the broader context of the MAGA protest.

    (Glenn should not forget that antifa/blm were there too; John Sullivan videoed his groups actions that day and the shooting of the unarmed civilian woman.)
    I read the article. I doubt his conclusions were accurate. First Trump supporters denied that Trump supporters were involved and that it was really Antifa dressed up as Trumpers. Now it’s the FBI played the Pied Piper….oh, and the rest were Antifa? So what, the FBI fooled these Trump supporters into storming the Capitol building? Come on.

    The realistic explanation is that angry Trump supporters who expected the election to be overturned, stormed the building. Egged on by Trump’s rhetoric and that QAnon garbage.

    It’s time to stop blaming everyone other than the idiots who did it. And that poor woman who died had nobody to blame other than herself and the far right media’s conspiracy nonsense that they peddle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Common Sense View Post
    I read the article. I doubt his conclusions were accurate. First Trump supporters denied that Trump supporters were involved and that it was really Antifa dressed up as Trumpers. Now it’s the FBI played the Pied Piper….oh, and the rest were Antifa? So what, the FBI fooled these Trump supporters into storming the Capitol building? Come on.

    The realistic explanation is that angry Trump supporters who expected the election to be overturned, stormed the building. Egged on by Trump’s rhetoric and that QAnon garbage.

    It’s time to stop blaming everyone other than the idiots who did it. And that poor woman who died had nobody to blame other than herself and the far right media’s conspiracy nonsense that they peddle.
    I think you are just disregarding Glenn the way the "media" is disregarding this story. Because it is against your agenda. The conclusion of the article:

    But all the mockery in the world does not make these questions disappear. Of course the FBI was infiltrating the groups they claim were behind these attacks. There may be good reasons why that did not enable the FBI to stop this riot or why they have not yet indicted these ringleaders. But those answers are not yet known. And gullible conspiracists are not the ones who want answers to these questions but, instead, are the ones doing everything possible to protect the FBI from having to provide them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    I think you are just disregarding Glenn the way the "media" is disregarding this story. Because it is against your agenda. The conclusion of the article:
    I don’t have an agenda. I just think a lot of these conspiracy theories are nonsense. These theories seem to be the backbone of conservative opinions as of late. QAnon is the extreme, but many Trump supporters believe in a plethora of these conspiracy theories. From the so called stolen election to this claim….it’s embarrassing to watch.

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    I will wait for a rational member to comment to continue this thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    I will wait for a rational member to comment to continue this thread.
    What have I said that’s irrational?

    What you want, is someone to come along and agree with you.

    Nice cop out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Common Sense View Post
    I read the article. I doubt his conclusions were accurate. First Trump supporters denied that Trump supporters were involved and that it was really Antifa dressed up as Trumpers. Now it’s the FBI played the Pied Piper….oh, and the rest were Antifa? So what, the FBI fooled these Trump supporters into storming the Capitol building? Come on.

    The realistic explanation is that angry Trump supporters who expected the election to be overturned, stormed the building. Egged on by Trump’s rhetoric and that QAnon garbage.

    It’s time to stop blaming everyone other than the idiots who did it. And that poor woman who died had nobody to blame other than herself and the far right media’s conspiracy nonsense that they peddle.
    The unarmed woman? Sure.

    It's interesting how the left has created another narrative--and, while they call for an investigation--we know from recent history, it would only be a sideshow like the Trump/Russia collusion investigation. Now there was the mother of all conspiracy theories. LOL

    On Jan 6, a Trump-support protest turned into a semi-riot--unarmed--while someone planted bombs at both political party buildings. Let's talk about the bombs.

    Those Capital protestors felt the election had been rigged, and they protested. That's their right, and their duty, it's just too bad it got out of hand.

    The QAnon thing? I still don't know what the heck that's supposed to be, and no one I know does either.

    Why the desperate need to try and shut down anyone who discusses the elements from Jan 6? If the FBI knew ahead of time, let's talk about it.

    There was a riot on Jan 6, one of hundreds that had taken place in the past year, and certainly not the first time a group entered a capital building. In 1967, dozens of ARMED Black Panthers entered and occupied the California State Capital. No one shot them in the face. They were eventually convicted of misdemeanor charges.
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