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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    I always liked that guy.
    Why? He's one of the people most responsible for the decision to go to war in Iraq, one of the worst foreign policy decisions in modern American history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardMZhlubb View Post
    Why? He's one of the people most responsible for the decision to go to war in Iraq, one of the worst foreign policy decisions in modern American history.
    That was Clinton ally George "Slam Dunk" Tenet, that produced all the evidence.
    It was Sadam Hussein that said he had WMDs and that he was going to use them. Biden voted for the war. Clinton voted for the war. Both of them voted time and time again to fund the war. Obama kept it going and the death toll under Obama in Afghanistan surpassed that of the Bush administration, especially after his failed surge.

    Your attempts to spin events are typical propaganda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahuyaman View Post
    He was a smart guy. My only issue with him was that he was neo con supporter of nation building.

    Was impossible to work with. Screwed up the democratization of Iraq.
    All of a sudden, as the Twin Towers came down, he discovered that 2.3 TRILLION $ was missing! Oops!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahuyaman View Post
    He was a smart guy. My only issue with him was that he was neo con supporter of nation building.
    Like GW Bush, he took orders from Dick Cheney, and was a Neocon warrior!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mini Me View Post

    Was impossible to work with. Screwed up the democratization of Iraq.
    All of a sudden, as the Twin Towers came down, he discovered that 2.3 TRILLION $ was missing! Oops!

    If you don't know what you are talking about, you shouldn't talk.

    Rumsfeld was a better man than you and Zhlubb combined could ever imagine being.
    “Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in pursuit of justice is no virtue.” - Barry Goldwater

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mini Me View Post

    Was impossible to work with. Screwed up the democratization of Iraq.
    All of a sudden, as the Twin Towers came down, he discovered that 2.3 TRILLION $ was missing! Oops!

    Rumsfeld had been in office 9 months when he reported that discrepancy. He didn't lose the money. He reported it the day before the September 11 attacks and the two were completely unrelated. Your attempt to connect them was petty and stupid.

    Rumsfeld left office in 2006. In 2015, the IG found 6.5 Trillion unaccounted for and a study by a Michigan State economics professor found the number to be 21 trillion (not just from DoD) between 1998 and 2015.

    Again, if you don't know what you are talking about, you shouldn't talk. Of course, if you actually did that, we would never here from you (not necessarily a bad thing).
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    Quote Originally Posted by carolina73 View Post
    R.I.P.

    But the only thing that I really remember him for was Shock & Awe which was a real failure of a strategy.
    It was a masterstroke. How many US soldiers died in that war?
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    Quote Originally Posted by carolina73 View Post
    R.I.P.

    But the only thing that I really remember him for was Shock & Awe which was a real failure of a strategy.
    Shock and awe is actually a tactic, rather than a strategy and it is a good one. Rumsfeld did not originate it, although he was a supporter of it. It had actually been doctrine since 1999.

    There are conflicting reports about how effective it was, but members of the Iraqi military who experienced it said it had a devastating effect on morale.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mini Me View Post

    Was impossible to work with. Screwed up the democratization of Iraq.
    All of a sudden, as the Twin Towers came down, he discovered that 2.3 TRILLION $ was missing! Oops!
    None of that is accurate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cletus View Post
    Shock and awe is actually a tactic, rather than a strategy and it is a good one. Rumsfeld did not originate it, although he was a supporter of it. It had actually been doctrine since 1999.

    There are conflicting reports about how effective it was, but members of the Iraqi military who experienced it said it had a devastating effect on morale.
    The problem was that it was based on the idea that you could win a war by taking out assets instead of killing people. That is why wars are not won anymore.

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