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    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    1) The spread of 30 points wasn't against Trump it was against his own mail in numbers in purple states.
    What does that even mean, and where are you getting this info?


    BTW, seniors are a big portion of mail in voters and they are typically not overwhelmingly liberal. If that was honest what were his Blue state numbers? 90%?
    Again, what does that mean, and where does it come from? Can you back up your claims at all?

    I don't remmeber the specific references but why should I have to provide evidence while you just say it was a big lie?

    You're the one claiming a variation from the norm, not me. Thus, the burden of proof is on you.

    Given the history of clean elections just about everywhere, and the safeguards in place, the default assumption is no fraud. You even sort of admit that, by accepting the default assumption everywhere except a few states.


    But here is a related article

    In terms of math, it's totally wrong. Benford's law only applies in select cases where data undergoing exponential growth spans several orders of magnitude. Precincts are nothing like that, being they're all about the same size, so they will definitely not follow Benford's law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mamooth View Post
    What does that even mean, and where are you getting this info?




    Again, what does that mean, and where does it come from? Can you back up your claims at all?




    You're the one claiming a variation from the norm, not me. Thus, the burden of proof is on you.

    Given the history of clean elections just about everywhere, and the safeguards in place, the default assumption is no fraud. You even sort of admit that, by accepting the default assumption everywhere except a few states.





    In terms of math, it's totally wrong. Benford's law only applies in select cases where data undergoing exponential growth spans several orders of magnitude. Precincts are nothing like that, being they're all about the same size, so they will definitely not follow Benford's law.

    1) Biden got 76=78 % of the mail in vote in states he was losing to Trump when we went to bed election night. Are you just pretending not to know that?
    2) Seniors were assualted with fear for months voted mail in in larger numbers than other groups. Seniors are not known as ultra liberal. Again are you pretending not to know that?
    3) No this was clearly a variation from the norm. Mailing ballots to people's old addresses for example . RE-WRITING MAIL IN BALLOTS IN UNVETTABLE FORMS IS not NORMAL and multiple cheats all in one direction are not normal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    1) Biden got 76=78 % of the mail in vote in states he was losing to Trump when we went to bed election night. Are you just pretending not to know that?
    2) Seniors were assualted with fear for months voted mail in in larger numbers than other groups. Seniors are not known as ultra liberal. Again are you pretending not to know that?
    3) No this was clearly a variation from the norm. Mailing ballots to people's old addresses for example . RE-WRITING MAIL IN BALLOTS IN UNVETTABLE FORMS IS not NORMAL and multiple cheats all in one direction are not normal.
    Poll after poll after poll showed, before the election, that Biden's supporters were far more likely to vote by mail or early than Trump's. Trump's team spent months shooting themselves in the foot by tying mail-in voting to fraud, to the point that Trump supporters were reluctant to use mail-in voting. The split between same-day and early/mail votes was entirely predicable and, in fact, predicted. You can find numerous articles written before the election, explaining how Trump was going to be ahead in the initial vote count in key battleground states, only to have Biden catch up when they started counting the mail-in and early votes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardMZhlubb View Post
    Poll after poll after poll showed, before the election, that Biden's supporters were far more likely to vote by mail or early than Trump's. Trump's team spent months shooting themselves in the foot by tying mail-in voting to fraud, to the point that Trump supporters were reluctant to use mail-in voting. The split between same-day and early/mail votes was entirely predicable and, in fact, predicted. You can find numerous articles written before the election, explaining how Trump was going to be ahead in the initial vote count in key battleground states, only to have Biden catch up when they started counting the mail-in and early votes.

    Thanks I had not heard about the articles. My problem is that 78% while a third os so the voters were 65 and up just seemed too much. After the election I could not not find the corresponding numbers from big blue states like NY. But if Biden got more mail in votes in a purple state than he did in liberal strongholds well that would seem suspicious wouldn't it? I never did find those numbers but doubt they are 80-90 %
    It wasn't that Biden got more mail in votes it was how many more and that seemed highly improbale to me. Then when the DNC did all they could to stop investigation into what happened and one "isolated incident" after another turned up all in Joe's favor and then I learned that Biden got millions more votes than Obama which didn't sound right, more votes than Obama and the sheer number of votes for Biden and combined.?Well it didn't exactly put my mind at rest. I mean does hate produce more votes than love? Let's face it not many were that excited about Joe they just hated Trump.
    And because of the unwise and unvettable changes to mail in voting we'll never really know and I cannot help but wonder it that was the whole point?
    Faith in the system is badly damaged.

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    Are we still arguing about the "stolen" election. JFC. Its over. Donny told them mail in voting was criminal so like the mask and the vax nonsense they marched to his stupidity. All your red state election bosses said HE WON. The SC agreed.
    Faith in the system is only damaged with brain damaged cult members. Remember Donnie was crying election fraud when he won. Cheaters always accuse others of cheating...........Its funny none of his minions questioned the ballots of the Pub winners on the same damned ballots they are crying over..................

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardMZhlubb View Post
    Poll after poll after poll showed, before the election, that Biden's supporters were far more likely to vote by mail or early than Trump's. Trump's team spent months shooting themselves in the foot by tying mail-in voting to fraud, to the point that Trump supporters were reluctant to use mail-in voting. The split between same-day and early/mail votes was entirely predicable and, in fact, predicted. You can find numerous articles written before the election, explaining how Trump was going to be ahead in the initial vote count in key battleground states, only to have Biden catch up when they started counting the mail-in and early votes.
    Of course. Too bad those Biden voters were not filling out their own ballots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stephenpe View Post
    Are we still arguing about the "stolen" election. JFC. Its over. Donny told them mail in voting was criminal so like the mask and the vax nonsense they marched to his stupidity. All your red state election bosses said HE WON. The SC agreed.
    Faith in the system is only damaged with brain damaged cult members. Remember Donnie was crying election fraud when he won. Cheaters always accuse others of cheating...........Its funny none of his minions questioned the ballots of the Pub winners on the same damned ballots they are crying over..................
    I'm glad your delusions are working for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stephenpe View Post
    Are we still arguing about the "stolen" election. JFC. Its over. Donny told them mail in voting was criminal
    Pelosi warned about the mail in ballots before the election, she said Trump would use them to steal the election. Also accused him of making mailboxes disappear. Had the results gone the other way, I'm betting you'd have Democrats now claiming the election was stolen.

    But that didn't happen, and I believe Biden won, so I don't really care. I think the whole "stolen election" game, which we've been seeing ever since Bush/Gore, is incredibly lame, and doesn't do either party any good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stephenpe View Post
    Are we still arguing about the "stolen" election. JFC. Its over. Donny told them mail in voting was criminal so like the mask and the vax nonsense they marched to his stupidity. All your red state election bosses said HE WON. The SC agreed.
    Faith in the system is only damaged with brain damaged cult members. Remember Donnie was crying election fraud when he won. Cheaters always accuse others of cheating...........Its funny none of his minions questioned the ballots of the Pub winners on the same damned ballots they are crying over..................
    In my case we are arguing the possibility of an election steal and mail in voting rules and dem resistence to investigation which combined to make the matter unprovable either way. Destroying the faith of many in the system. The vote was the last bastion of America federal politics that the people believed was not corrupt. Now that too is history.
    Also how easy do we need to make it for people to vote? We had a polling place and Absentee Ballots all we had to do was make all eligible for absentee ballots for 2020. That's it. Now we have multiple in person days (OK) , several hard to vet forms of mail in voting that never needed to be created and STILL not enough? WTH?
    Who exactly is it that can't do one of those?
    Who the hell doesn't really have or cannot get an ID?
    Who cannot pre plan their food and beverage needs before the 150 foot line at polling places?
    What do you people want? Send a rep to everyone's home to collect their vote?
    If you defend all of this please help me understand who we are talking about here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    1) Biden got 76=78 % of the mail in vote in states he was losing to Trump when we went to bed election night. Are you just pretending not to know that?
    Already covered.
    2) Seniors were assualted with fear for months voted mail in in larger numbers than other groups. Seniors are not known as ultra liberal. Again are you pretending not to know that?
    The fallacy there is assuming seniors on both sides voted by-mail in the same percentages. They didn't. Trump told all his voters to vote in person, seniors included. I can't find any data comparing how many Republican vs. Democratic seniors voted by mail, but there's no reason to think it diverged from the general pattern.

    3) No this was clearly a variation from the norm. Mailing ballots to people's old addresses for example . RE-WRITING MAIL IN BALLOTS IN UNVETTABLE FORMS IS not NORMAL and multiple cheats all in one direction are not normal.
    And that's all just conspiracy nonsense, as opposed to being "evidence". You're citing a whole bunch of conspiracy rumors.

    The point? You're still unable to show any evidence of any sort for organized fraud. The best you can do is "Well, it might have happened, so it did!". Of course, that means it might be your side cheating, which is why your side is so dead set on hiding what it does.

    Democrats support honest audits, while Republicans oppose them. Your side is still refusing to turn over the data on what the Arizona fraudit did and who backed them, data that the courts ordered them to turn over. Democrats are transparent, while Republicans try to hide their sleaze, making it obvious who the cheaters are.

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